Dear Rafal,

Acedrg could not handle with ligands containing metal elements at the
moment. When your input file was a mol file, acedrg gave that information.
For other kind of input format, acedrg should give the same information.
We are checking why it produced those confusing info.

The developments are under way to make acedrg capable of handling with
ligands containing atoms of metal elements.

Sorry about your situations.

Best wishes,

Fei


Dear all,

Thank you very much for all your messages. Unfortunately, I'm still on
the same place, as yesterday...

First of all, I prepared a pdb/cif file of the ligand based on CCDC
entry 1176355 containing FESAN molecule. Also, I prepared SMILES file
based on SMILES of CB5 ligand (COSAN) available on PDB, where I simply
switched Co into Fe atom.

-> When I tried use acedrg with SMILES, I received an error info:

Input file: FSM.smi
Output dictionary file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_27.cif
Output coordinate file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_27.pdb
workMode :  12
Can not generate a molecule from the input SMILES string!
Check your SMILES or report the bug
Can not get the element symbols of atoms. Check input file format
Error : The job stops because of errors

-> When I tried use acedrg with *pdb/*cif files I received no output
files:

Input file: fsm.cif
Output dictionary file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_21.cif
Output coordinate file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_21.pdb
workMode :  11
Number of atoms in the cif file  0

-> When I tried use acedrg with *.mol file I received no output files:

Input file: fsm.mol
Output dictionary file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_28.cif
Output coordinate file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_28.pdb
workMode :  13
The system contains atoms of the following elements
C       B       Fe      H
The input ligands/molecules contains metal or other heavier atoms
Acedrg currently deals with ligands/molecules with following elements
only
C, N, O, S, P, B, F, Cl, Br, I, H
The job finishes succesfully


-> When I tried use prodrg, the program has been crashed:

The program run with command: cprodrg XYZIN
"C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/fsm.pdb" LIBOUT
"C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/fsm_prodrg1.cif" XYZOUT
"C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/fsm_prodrg1.pdb" MOLOUT
"C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/fsm_prodrg1.mol"
has failed with error message
forrtl: severe (157): Program Exception - access violation
Image              PC                Routine            Line
Source
cprodrg.exe        00007FF623CB058F  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
cprodrg.exe        00007FF623CB05E0  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
cprodrg.exe        00007FF623CAFB4F  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
cprodrg.exe        00007FF623CB008E  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
cprodrg.exe        00007FF623C5BDA8  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
cprodrg.exe        00007FF623C3204E  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
cprodrg.exe        00007FF623CAA81E  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
cprodrg.exe        00007FF623CB3144  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
KERNEL32.DLL       00007FFEB3447034  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
ntdll.dll          00007FFEB4A22651  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
***************************************************************************

-> I am still waiting for tokens from the prodrg web page ;) To be sure,
I used two emails, but with no response...

-> Ok, then I back to way I used years ago... JLigand was a good
solution, but... actually it is not working at all. I'm working under
Windows 10 / CCP4i, and I remember, there was the same issue in previous
version of CCP4.

-> Ok, then I back to the oldest solution -> using Sketcher. The program
is reading my PDB/CIF, but gave a warning when preparing a library, and
of course, no output _mon_lib.cif:

   WARNING : monomer:FSM              - has a minimal description.
   WARNING: there is no metal chirality for:Fe1
   WARNING: coords are not good enough to create Chirality
   WARNING :                  /subroutine CALC_VOBSN/

I attached the PDB file containing the ligand of interest. From my
knowledge, it looks correct, but maybe I'm wrong. Have you any idea,
where is a problem?

Best,

Rafal

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W dniu 2022-06-06 14:52, Paul Emsley napisaƂ(a):
> Although it may not be apparent, there has been a lot of work going on
> in Acedrg development regarding Boron.
>
> One cannot say the same for Coot though and I can reproduce the
> behaviour reported by Rafa Dolot. If/when I can fix it, it will be
> available in 0.9.8.4.
>
> Paul.
>
> On 06/06/2022 13:24, Boaz Shaanan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> In case you don't have a cif file for the ligand, I would load the
>> SMILES expression into acedrg (or use any other input option) to
>> create a cif file which you can then read into Coot.
>> Cheers,
>> Boaz
>> On Jun 6, 2022 15:06, Rafal Dolot <rdo...@cbmm.lodz.pl> wrote:
>>
>> Dear CCP4 Users,
>>
>> I am working with data containing a possible complex of protein with
>>
>> FESAN (iron bis(1,2-dicarbollide)). Unfortunately, to my knowledge,
>> this
>> ligand is not available in PDB. The closest molecule is COSAN
>> (cobalt
>> bis(1,2-dicarbollide)), which is labelled as CB5 and is available in
>> two
>> PDB entries. I can load this molecule into Coot, but attempts at
>> ligand
>> search or refinement of the manually matched molecule result in
>> freezing
>> of the Coot window. FESAN is not present in CCDC as a single
>> molecule,
>> but only in some complexes. Could you give me some advice on how to
>> prepare a new ligand like this one, for incorporation into the
>> protein
>> and further refinement?
>
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