>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 22 18:10:35 2001
>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Davidsen)
>> >Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> I took Bill Davidsen out of the list as the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> is bad and is bounced since half a year.
>>
>> >What he means is that his site triggers the SPAM filters, even though it
>> >works fine for others including debian.org, so he decided unilaterally
>>
>> So you should correct your spam filters!
> There is nothing wrong with them.
Of course it is wrong as we do not spam. So if your spam filter flags
fokus.gmd.de than it is broken.
>> Why don't you do this. Your mailer problem is present for a long time
>> and I even asked you at east once for the reason.
> I have asked you to stop copying me, too, but I haven't tried to
>remove you from the list because you continue to do so.
I usually type "Re" and let the mailer do.
Note that there are people on the list of recipients who do not read
cdwrite@
>> In our research institute nobody bought a PC with less that 512 MB in 2001.
>> Asking perople abouth their private PC's, I know that nobod bought less than
>> 128 MB for a PC that is new this year.
> I assume that someone buys the PCs with 64MB, major retailers sell
>them by both store and mail order. The point is that 512MB is not the
>standard, and is not relevant to changing the Linux kernel.
Even then it is not a problem to have 100kB of SCSI driver code loaded.
> You still miss the issue. The argument for not changing is that (a) few
>people feel the need for the change, (b) the kernel developers are
>working at other things they think are important, and (c) any major
>change like this would require user education, changes in configuration,
>and don't belong in a stable release. Maybe this will be in 2.6 someday.
You missed the important issue:
a) This is a very important isue as many people have problems and the kernel
developers don't listen to them!
b) it is the opposite way round: the current default requires user education
while my suggestion would just do what 99.999% of all users expect.
>> People send me private mail if they have problems. One solution may be to
>> commentless forward this mail to you and Alan Cox .....
> Since neither of us is IDE or SCSI maintainer, that would just be
>spite, not trying to get anything accomplished.
Well my experience with the sg driver showed me that Alan in fact decides
what goes into the kernel. This is the reason why I like to discuss it with him.
>> > What more than read do you need for a CD-ROM? My drives all have a
>> >convenient button to eject media, which is handy because I use my hand
>> >to pick up the CD and my finger is right there. As I found out once, by
>> >using software eject you can stick the tray right out where someone can
>> >bang into it.
>>
>> Open/close tray, lock tray, read audio, read toc, change error recovery parameters
>> and a lot more.
> You know, my music sounds fine, I guess I just can't hear them. In
>case you missed the point, data CDs and playing music work fine on IDE
>without all the stuff you consider important.
WRONG: ... or must I send you a ide-cdrom driver where I removed the ability
to send SCSI commands to the CD-ROM drive to proove that you ar wrong?
Fact is you NEED SCSI commands to do it and ide-cdrom does it in a non Linux way
so cdrecord cannot use it.
>> >> >>You are saying the same thing as Alan Cox:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let us keep the bugs in ide-scsi & the SCSI cdrom driver on Linux
>because
>> >> >> I do not realize any problem for _my_ personal work.
> More to the point, because there is no compelling reason to change it,
>and problems described above which result from it.
There is a very important reason for a change: most people have problems with the
current default.
>> So you are going to convince me to stop with my attempt to make Linux easier
>> to use and just forward any mail to you and Alan. I hope that at least then
>> you will realize that there is a problem that needs to be solved.
> Would you be unhappy is a few people wrote bad things about you
>several times a week saying your software was crap and broken because
>your option handling is bizarre and confusing because you refuse to
>adopt the conventions used in other software? Or because you don't
>support some obscure feature, or can't do DOA using raw, or... whatever?
>Would that piss you off after someone whined about it over and over like
>a three year old who thinks he will get what he wants because he is so
>obnoxious?
You did not get it...
The difference between me and the Linux kernel team is that I listen and
tell you: Yes I will do this in the near future. I currently don't have the
time because there are more important things to do.
Now that more and more cheap Philips chip kit based writers are out, the
importance to be not only able to write in DAO but also RAW raises.
> Well it pisses us off, too. It doesn't work that way, it won't get a
>major change before 2.6 (except maybe in test versions), and ide-cd is
>likely to be the standard even if things do change, just because people
>are tired of hearing you whine!
IDE-CD being the default configuration for ATAPI CD-ROm drives
is causing problems for many people and it does things (send SCSI commands)
in a way that is noncompliant with the rest of the Linux kernel.
J�rg
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