Ernie :
Is money power ?  About this the answer seems to be, "it  depends."
A lot of times it is. But at other times it would be a real stretch to say  
so,
viz,  someone seeks money in order to get sex, a vacation in  Cozumel,
a new Stutz Bearcat, or, say, to help out the Red Cross.
 
So, while market advantage may be related to power, in cases it  isn't.
Maybe it usually is, at a 51 % rate minimum. I have no way to be  sure.
But even if the hard figure is 90 % ( which seems high ) that still
would leave a category for hedonism   --or altruism.
 
And aren't both hedonism and altruism important motivators ?
 
Even if such a category is relatively small it still exists 
and applies to some % of people.

 
Those who  "love"  the subject of their professional expertise  ?
Ummmmmmm. Isn't that kind of an elastic definition of love ?
 
In other words, yes, I love the study of ancient history, I really  do.
But this kind of love isn't remotely like the love I may feel for a  woman,
or for family. Love of history, in other words, is metaphor,  essentially.
In the case of study of antiquity, it is a combination of  fascination,
curiosity, intrigue, and ego gratification. 
 
Sure, with a break or two, maybe I can convert my knowledge of history  into
other Goods, but I'd study history even if there were no other Goods  
available.
I'd guess that a serious physicist would feel likewise about physics,  And
so forth, for psychoanalysts, zoologists, astronomers, and you name  it.
 
This said, yes, some people go into a profession for extrinsic  rewards,
no question about it. But subtract the maximum and I think you still  get 
a decent  % who are , so to speak, "pure in heart."     No ?
 
Established and useful tradition.
 
A good idea, wouldn't you say ?  
 
The concept is educational ( in a broad sense ). Why screw up a
perfectly good tradition when people are able to learn from it ?
" If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
 
This assumes a viable tradition, and in the example of Pluto, there
are astronomers who argue for planet status on empirical grounds.
Other traditions may need to go, no problem with that outlook.
But what about serviceable traditions ?
 
At least this is my view of the matter
 
Aum
Billyananda
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/9/2009 9:47:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[email protected] writes:

Hi  Billy,

On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:05 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>  Actually, at least IMHO, there are a minimum of  4 sources of   
> authority
>                -- control, cie vous plait--
> besides power and love,  also market advantage ( who gives you  
> advantage, you
>  tend to go along with, and sapiential authority. This was the late   
> Robert Theobald's
> coinage, to stand for the leadership of  "knowers," viz,  
> professionals like scientists,
> doctors,  professors, and so forth. Granted no-one has pure motives,  
>  no-one,
> we all fall short of the glory of God, but as a general  principle.

That may be one of the ways we differ. I see market  advantage as  
related to power, and sapiental authority only valid if  it reflects  
people who love the subject more than I do -- not just  because they  
have more information about it.

I also find it  amusing that you add a completely different category to  
justify your  Pluto claim. :-)

> Established and useful  tradition.


Which still begs the question "useful to whom" -- and  who gets to  
decide how useful?

-- Ernie  P.


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