Hi Billy,

On Apr 5, 2010, at 11:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Genesis 1 may well describe the beginnings of this world, and existence from
> our world's perspective, but beyond that ?  Anyway, how about
> Wisdom of Solomon 9 : 9 ?  Wisdom, personified as a Goddess in
> everything but name,  was present with God at the Creation.
> But it is not the Creation account of Genesis, rather we get an
> ongoing Creation since, to refer to Wis Sol 7 : 17 where there
> are said to be epochs of elements,  and  19 : 19 where we get
> land animals that took to the sea and swimming things that
> in their time took to the land, viz, Darwin in a Biblical version.


Even if you accept the Wisdom of Solomon as canonical, nothing there 
contradicts being "a" beginning.  

> Here's the problem. The universe is essential to God   -or in my
> way of thinking  God / Goddess. Indeed, creation ( lower case )
> is likewise essential. Therefore creation is also eternal even if,
> obviously, there are local Creations and local declines
> and endings.

That seems to be your fundamental assumption, but I honestly don't think it 
fits either the biblical or scientific evidence.

The best reading of both implies to me that God (gods, divinity, whatever) 
pre-existed whatever we perceive as the material universe.  He/they may well 
exist in some "Q-continuum" beyond our perception, along with imaginary quantum 
fluctuations or whatever else is out there, but the fact remains that all the 
"Worlds that are seen" arose from 'something' before it that is "unseen".

You can believe otherwise if you like, but the evidence appears to be strongly 
against you.

E
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