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Another thing I have noticed since cf-talk got big is that local CFUG mailing lists
such as ACFUG are getting bigger. This is a list a lot like cf-talk was 2 years ago -
20-40 emails per day,
friendly, fast response.
While we are on the topic of how to improve cf mailing list what do peope think about
adding an automatic subject prefix to cf-talk of "[cf-talk]". I find this lets me sort
out the cf mail much
easier than using folder filtering because I actually read email in my inbox - I
rarely read email in a filtered folder! Also if we go to more lists then if each one
had a prefix it would help
in scanning the email for interesting subjects....
Finally I think web based stuff is great but people read and reply to email. There is
something about email reply which lowers the threashold to reply - I rarely find my
self going to web-based
lists or replying when there. If we do do web based please keep the email outbound
email.
That is my 6 cents. ;-)
- Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/
Jim McAtee wrote:
> Yes, the cf-talk list is definitely too big, and it's usefullness has
> really diminished because of this. I don't think moderation is the key,
> though. And I seldom have any problems with any of the content, even the
> squalking. Some useful points can come out of even the silly arguments.
> Ever see one of those threads where someone posts "Help Me Now!", then he
> procedes to berate everyone offering suggestions that don't seem to suit
> him? It's amazing how anyone could be such a dick, yet the insight into
> using CF is the same as in any well-mannered thread.
>
> I'd definitely suggest it's time to diversify the list into several. As
> you say, topics would probably tend to be more on-topic. You'd have
> different sets of people subscribed to the different lists, so you'd
> probably see less traffic on the list server. What's more, you have more
> meaningful discussions, since some people (me, certainly) feel reluctant
> to prolong an interesting thread that's gone way off-topic.
>
> A web based series of forums would be good (yeah, I know there's the
> Allaire forums), even though many people are really tied into the mailing
> list way of doing things. Wouldn't hurt for someone to try it out if
> their web servers can handle the traffic.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: CF-squawk?
>
> >I sometimes thing cf-talk has become cf-squawk. How can we get back the
> old friendly high info cf-talk list? ;-)
> >
> >Maybe we are talking about a moderated list?
> >
> >I know someone in the ASP communuity (Charles Carrol) who ran about 30
> different moderated lists on ASP - for beginners, for SQL questions, for
> install problems etc etc,. Some of the list had
> >very low traffic but everything was on topic. This was a LOT of work for
> him - I am not sure if it is still being kept up! ;-)
> >
> >Another way to look at this problem is to compare an on-line communuity
> to a city growing in size. At first the group is small and everyone knows
> everyone else. People are friendly. Then the
> >list grows and you don't know everyone and some people say nothing and
> just lurk - just as people on city streets don't say hello. Finally as
> you have thousands of people it is like being in a
> >big city - you don't know most people and people get rude because it is
> anonymous.
> >
> >So what do people do in cities to get back to the village feeling? They
> have rules and laws, they have schooling in certain subjects, they have
> gated communuities.
> >
> >Maybe it is time for a better list than cf-talk. Perhaps a webbased
> submission form with categories to pick from would help with subject
> lines. Maybe kicking people off the list when they are
> >rude - or banning their posts for a week. Maybe there could be a training
> period before you could post. Maybe don't let people into a list unless
> they are invited and vouched for by another
> >member as CF Guru does.
> >
> >Ideas anyone?
> >Thanks for listening.
> >- Michael Smith, TeraTech http://www.cfconf.org/
> > MDCFUG http://www.cfug-md.org/
>
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Another thing I have noticed since cf-talk got big is that local CFUG mailing
lists such as ACFUG are getting bigger. This is a list a lot like cf-talk
was 2 years ago - 20-40 emails per day, friendly, fast response.
<p>While we are on the topic of how to improve cf mailing list what do
peope think about adding an automatic subject prefix to cf-talk of "[cf-talk]".
I find this lets me sort out the cf mail much easier than using folder
filtering because I actually read email in my inbox - I rarely read email
in a filtered folder! Also if we go to more lists then if each one had
a prefix it would help in scanning the email for interesting subjects....
<p>Finally I think web based stuff is great but people read and reply to
email. There is something about email reply which lowers the threashold
to reply - I rarely find my self going to web-based lists or replying when
there. If we do do web based please keep the email outbound email.
<br>
<br>That is my 6 cents. ;-)
<br>- Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc <A
HREF="http://www.teratech.com/">http://www.teratech.com/</A>
<p>Jim McAtee wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Yes, the cf-talk list is definitely too big, and
it's usefullness has
<br>really diminished because of this. I don't think moderation is
the key,
<br>though. And I seldom have any problems with any of the content,
even the
<br>squalking. Some useful points can come out of even the silly
arguments.
<br>Ever see one of those threads where someone posts "Help Me Now!", then
he
<br>procedes to berate everyone offering suggestions that don't seem to
suit
<br>him? It's amazing how anyone could be such a dick, yet the insight
into
<br>using CF is the same as in any well-mannered thread.
<p>I'd definitely suggest it's time to diversify the list into several.
As
<br>you say, topics would probably tend to be more on-topic. You'd
have
<br>different sets of people subscribed to the different lists, so you'd
<br>probably see less traffic on the list server. What's more, you
have more
<br>meaningful discussions, since some people (me, certainly) feel reluctant
<br>to prolong an interesting thread that's gone way off-topic.
<p>A web based series of forums would be good (yeah, I know there's the
<br>Allaire forums), even though many people are really tied into the mailing
<br>list way of doing things. Wouldn't hurt for someone to try it
out if
<br>their web servers can handle the traffic.
<p>Jim
<p>-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Michael Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<br>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<br>Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 5:11 PM
<br>Subject: Re: CF-squawk?
<p>>I sometimes thing cf-talk has become cf-squawk. How can we get back
the
<br>old friendly high info cf-talk list? ;-)
<br>>
<br>>Maybe we are talking about a moderated list?
<br>>
<br>>I know someone in the ASP communuity (Charles Carrol) who ran about
30
<br>different moderated lists on ASP - for beginners, for SQL questions,
for
<br>install problems etc etc,. Some of the list had
<br>>very low traffic but everything was on topic. This was a LOT of work
for
<br>him - I am not sure if it is still being kept up! ;-)
<br>>
<br>>Another way to look at this problem is to compare an on-line communuity
<br>to a city growing in size. At first the group is small and everyone
knows
<br>everyone else. People are friendly. Then the
<br>>list grows and you don't know everyone and some people say nothing
and
<br>just lurk - just as people on city streets don't say hello. Finally
as
<br>you have thousands of people it is like being in a
<br>>big city - you don't know most people and people get rude because
it is
<br>anonymous.
<br>>
<br>>So what do people do in cities to get back to the village feeling?
They
<br>have rules and laws, they have schooling in certain subjects, they
have
<br>gated communuities.
<br>>
<br>>Maybe it is time for a better list than cf-talk. Perhaps a webbased
<br>submission form with categories to pick from would help with subject
<br>lines. Maybe kicking people off the list when they are
<br>>rude - or banning their posts for a week. Maybe there could be a training
<br>period before you could post. Maybe don't let people into a list unless
<br>they are invited and vouched for by another
<br>>member as CF Guru does.
<br>>
<br>>Ideas anyone?
<br>>Thanks for listening.
<br>>- Michael Smith, TeraTech <a
href="http://www.cfconf.org/">http://www.cfconf.org/</a>
<br>>
MDCFUG <a href="http://www.cfug-md.org/">http://www.cfug-md.org/</a>
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