I'm not talking about software. I'm talking about a listing.
And I frankly don't believe that a $500 fee is going to get rid of the bad apples.
Think of all the legitimate businesses out there who are not members of the Better
Business Bureau? Does that make them any less legitimate just because some 3rd party
doesn't have them in their database? I think not.
The difference though between Allaire's list and the Better Business Bureau is that
the BBB adds VALUE to the listing by acting as a 3rd party intermediary. I don't
expect Allaire to get into anything like that! That's not their business.
Think about Yahoo. Any schmuck can post a link to their site on Yahoo for free. Does
that mean they are legit? I don't think so.
I'm not talking about Allaire vouching for developers - they've got a certification
program for that. I'm just talking about a simple list of developers which can be
searched geographically. Why should I have to pay a recruiter to find someone 2
blocks from me when I COULD theoretically go to Allaire and say "Hey Allaire - who
develops with your software in my area?"
And that's one of the reasons why I started Fusioneers.com.
ANYONE can go to the Fusioneers.com web site and search for a developer in their area.
And any ColdFusion developer can list themselves for FREE.
---mark
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Mark Warrick
Phone: (714) 547-5386
Fax: (714) 972-2181
Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net
Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
ICQ: 346566
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partners (was ColdFusion Newsgroup)
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:51
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Allaire Partners (was ColdFusion Newsgroup)
> >
> >
> > [snip]
> > Allaire is already making out big time from the developers
> > supporting their product. If Allaire gave a crap about their
> > developers, they would make the point of entry for us FREE. It
> > costs them next to NOTHING to accept a developer's contact
> > information and have that info available on their site.
>
> If every company gave this kind of listing away free, we would
> never be able
> to sort through the noise. Every software company I have dealt with has
> required a fee for becoming a listed "partner." This is to protect them,
> the developers and the consumer.
>
> If any hack off the street could be listed as an Allaire partner,
> then every
> script kiddie out there who decides to learn Cold Fusion could get listed
> and have the initial appearance of legitamacy. Once they screw a few
> clients over, then the entire list loses legitamacy because of that. That
> isn't fair to the company or the true developers because it looks like the
> list contains nothing but script kiddies. Do not underestimate
> the power of
> word of mouth.
>
> By setting a minimum bar, however low, gives the list added legitamacy.
> Even if skills are not required to meet this bar.
>
> And on top of all of this, consultin partners can get the NFR software. I
> know of no companies that allow NFR software to be distributed without a
> cost. Compared to the Autodesk line (AutoCAD, etc) the $500 that Allaire
> asks is a steal.
>
> Russel
>
> >
> > ---mark
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mark Warrick
> > Phone: (714) 547-5386
> > Fax: (714) 972-2181
> > Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net
> > Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
> > ICQ: 346566
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David E. Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:13 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Allaire Partners (was ColdFusion Newsgroup)
> > >
> > >
> > > This is not true. You can become a consulting partner for $500
> > > or so. That
> > > gets you Not For Resale versions of everything from CF to JRUN for all
> > > platforms. That is a very low entry point IMHO.
> > >
> > > DC
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Warrick, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:43
> > > Subject: RE: ColdFusion Newsgroup
> > >
> > >
> > > > Allaire caters to big businesses. That is evident by the
> high sticker
> > > price of being a partner with them. They don't offer any sort of
> > > partnerships with individual developers (last time I checked).
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mark Warrick
> > > > Phone: (714) 547-5386
> > > > Fax: (714) 972-2181
> > > > Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net
> > > > Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
> > > > ICQ: 346566
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:40 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > Subject: Re: ColdFusion Newsgroup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice point, but ????????????????????????????????????????????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Warrick, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > I think the fact that Allaire doesn't do this is a perfect
> > > > > example of how
> > > > > they treat individual developers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And that's WHY this list exists, and it's why my business
> > > > > exists as well!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---mark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Mark Warrick
> > > > > > Phone: (714) 547-5386
> > > > > > Fax: (714) 972-2181
> > > > > > Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net
> > > > > > Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
> > > > > > ICQ: 346566
> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 5:36 PM
> > > > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > > > Subject: ColdFusion Newsgroup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am NOT knock what we (coldfusion developers) have
> > with this
> > > > > > > list, and
> > > > > > > group BUT what and why doesn't someone or Allaire start
> > > > > something in the
> > > > > > > regular newsgroups? This is somewhat baffling at times,
> > > > > the have a
> > > > > > > dynamite product line, the forums on Allaire are OK kinda
> > > > > slow, but Ok.
> > > > > > > I mean why not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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