And that is what is cool about programming. Don't have to worry about comma
splices.
And besides, it is just email. If I am doing something for a live site or a
paying client, then I will have it checked before it goes live.
At 12:41 PM 4/9/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Daniel,
>
>Philosophical question: which is worse - bad counselors (then), or none at
>all (now)? <g>
>
>And about grammar, I can't believe how many smart, talented people do not
>know the difference between possessive and plural (e.g. "I drank three cup's
>of coffee", "Change given for customer's only"), never heard of an adverb
>("They drove over here quick" instead of "quickly"), don't understand
>contractions ("your right" instead of "you're right").
>
>Let's not even mention commas...
><sigh>
>
>Ben
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Dewey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:36 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>Like they say
>
>those who can - do
>those who can't - teach
>those who can't teach - counsel
>
>I absolutely hated my guidance counselors in High School. You're right
>about the grammar though, they don't teach it in this country. *sigh*
>
>---
>Daniel Dewey |"Tell me, and I'll forget.
>Systems Developer | Show me, and I may not remember.
>MCP (NT srvr/wkstn/eprise) | Involve me, and I'll understand."
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Native American Proverb
>http://www.pobox.com/~dewey | 610-868-1421, x115
> The National Association of Colleges and Employers
>
> These opinions are mine, and may not be the same as my employer
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erika L Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:43 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>I was never "afraid" of math. I just didn't like it. I wasn't a "numbers
>cruncher". Wasn't any fun for me. I much preferred painting and choir....but
>also woodshop and metal shop....so there was some amount of math a person
>needed to know, but since I wasn't going to be an engineer, and I didn't
>know I was going to be into programming, I couldn't find the relevance, and
>guidance counselors were of no help whatsoever.
>
>I was grinning at your reference to a foreign language.....now there was a
>subject I absolutely adored! English, hated it. And from my posts, you can
>probably tell that. My grammar usage is not the best, but I am working on
>it. When I took my first Spanish class, I was amazed! I sped right through
>the textbook, learning it as fast as I could....and what amazed me the most
>(and in reference to everything falling into place), was in conjugating
>Spanish verbs and learning Spanish grammar, I learned how to apply it to my
>English courses, and, as a result, received better marks in English. The
>next year, I needed more of a challenge, so I did Spanish II and French I,
>back to back! Oh what fun it was! Now, if only I could remember it all
>today. :-(
>
>The math mis-understanding is a shame, I guess, in hindsight. I hope schools
>today are a lot better at prepping young minds.
>
>Erika
>
>"There are only two ways to live your life: One is as though nothing is a
>miracle, the other is as though everything is." - Albert Einstein
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Dewey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:10 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>I'm always amazed at the number of people who consider math to be 'hard'.
>It really isn't, but we're taught from a very early age to be afraid of math
>and science... like it's magic or something (reference to arthur clarke
>ignored for now).
>
> Just for the record, as a CS/math major, I struggled through the
>curriculum. IRC was much more entertaining, but that's another story. I
>went through the motions, but trigonometry and calculus were worse than
>learning a foreign language (hey, is that why everything uses greek
>letters?!? how clever!). When I took physics class, everything fell into
>place. Sines, co-sines, differentiation, rates of change, etc etc etc (the
>relationship between accelleration, velocity, and distance is all explained
>through... calc!). Oh, ok... so I wanted to be an astronaught when I grew
>up. So sue me.
> Since I'm ranting and raving... I always thought of mathmatics as 'exact'.
>After all, in grade school you're taught to get the 'right answer'. But
>life isn't about right answers, and higher math is even less so. You can
>get by with 'close enough' (unless you're doing proofs, once again, another
>story). When you take trig, you use approximations. No one knows the exact
>value of e, or Pi. With calc it gets worse. I remember someone asking the
>prof "how do you know you've reached the right answer". The response was
>"well, it didn't go to 0 or to infinity, did it?'. I don't know about you,
>but that sounds less like science and more like art!
>
>I know I'm a minority on this list, but raise your hand if you loved
>operations research!
>
>---
>Daniel Dewey |"Tell me, and I'll forget.
>Systems Developer | Show me, and I may not remember.
>MCP (NT srvr/wkstn/eprise) | Involve me, and I'll understand."
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Native American Proverb
>http://www.pobox.com/~dewey | 610-868-1421, x115
> The National Association of Colleges and Employers
>
> These opinions are mine, and may not be the same as my employer
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erika L Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:08 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>Nick,
>
>For the mathematically challenged, those subjects are a bit tough. I mean I
>managed to pull B's, but it was like laboring intensively under 110 degree
>conditions with no food and water...absolute torture to get through....I'm
>basically a artsy person, like to paint and draw, so my brain just couldn't
>handle all the calculations. Besides, back then, I didn't know I was going
>into programming.
>
>I have to say though, I did attend an 11-month programming course a couple
>of years ago, Java, C, JavaScript, RPG were the subjects, and my inability
>to process calculations really never came into play. I passed with a 98.5
>average and thoroughly enjoyed all. So I still don't see where it comes into
>play.....unless you are talking about physically seeing how to get to the
>bottom of calculation like in shopping carts and things.....which I can
>visually see and work through.
>
>Just because I am curious how others code, can you give me an example?
>
>Erika
>
>"There are only two ways to live your life: One is as though nothing is a
>miracle, the other is as though everything is." - Albert Einstein
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:34 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>This is strange, I find myself using algebra and calc all the time in my
>programming.
>
>and I am not being a smart ass here.
>
>At 08:35 PM 4/8/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >The short version:
> >
> >Tried college, couldn't do it. I was an artsy, geeky type and hated school,
> >it was boring. Couldn't figure out where I was going to apply
> >algebra/calculus to life...so I quit.
> >
> >Worked my way up the corporate ladder as a cash office
> >clerk/cashier/plan-o-gram manager/store-opener/assistant buyer/clerk for a
> >big retail chain for 2.5 years, had a panic attack from the stress, quit,
> >then trained horses (10 years, most full-time, part-time up until 3 years
> >ago) during which I maintained a career in the printing industry doing
> >graphic design and implementing digital technologies, hit the salary
>ceiling
> >and decided to go the internet route.
> >
> >Now I am deliriously happy in my career of choice.
> >
> >Erika
> >
> >"It is better to be wrong than to simply follow convention. If you are
> >wrong, no matter, you have learned something and will grow stronger. If you
> >are right, you have taken another step toward a fulfilling life." - Bryce
> >Courteney
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Marc Garrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 10:12 AM
> >To: CF-Community
> >Subject: Re: CS vs BFA
> >
> >
> >I was an English major, then took my Juris Doctor and worked as an
> >environmental consultant before turning to databases and CF/ASP.
> >
> >Someday, in a perfect world, I hope to tie it all together. :-)
> >
> >Marc Garrett
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Judith Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:58 AM
> >Subject: Re: CS vs BFA
> >
> >
> > > Woohoo! Now I don't feel so awkward.
> >
>
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