Hi Nick,
I agree with both of your points (about commas, and about "it is just
email"). There's a big difference between casual communications and more
formal ones.
Please note that my comment was not directed at emails or lists, but at
society in general not understanding grammar any more, regardless of whether
the communications are casual or formal, verbal or written.
Pardon the earlier rant, but the thread "pushed the button" on a pet peeve
of mine.
Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:00 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
And that is what is cool about programming. Don't have to worry about comma
splices.
And besides, it is just email. If I am doing something for a live site or a
paying client, then I will have it checked before it goes live.
At 12:41 PM 4/9/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Daniel,
>
>Philosophical question: which is worse - bad counselors (then), or none at
>all (now)? <g>
>
>And about grammar, I can't believe how many smart, talented people do not
>know the difference between possessive and plural (e.g. "I drank three
cup's
>of coffee", "Change given for customer's only"), never heard of an adverb
>("They drove over here quick" instead of "quickly"), don't understand
>contractions ("your right" instead of "you're right").
>
>Let's not even mention commas...
><sigh>
>
>Ben
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Dewey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:36 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>Like they say
>
>those who can - do
>those who can't - teach
>those who can't teach - counsel
>
>I absolutely hated my guidance counselors in High School. You're right
>about the grammar though, they don't teach it in this country. *sigh*
>
>---
>Daniel Dewey |"Tell me, and I'll forget.
>Systems Developer | Show me, and I may not remember.
>MCP (NT srvr/wkstn/eprise) | Involve me, and I'll understand."
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Native American Proverb
>http://www.pobox.com/~dewey | 610-868-1421, x115
> The National Association of Colleges and Employers
>
> These opinions are mine, and may not be the same as my employer
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erika L Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:43 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>I was never "afraid" of math. I just didn't like it. I wasn't a "numbers
>cruncher". Wasn't any fun for me. I much preferred painting and
choir....but
>also woodshop and metal shop....so there was some amount of math a person
>needed to know, but since I wasn't going to be an engineer, and I didn't
>know I was going to be into programming, I couldn't find the relevance, and
>guidance counselors were of no help whatsoever.
>
>I was grinning at your reference to a foreign language.....now there was a
>subject I absolutely adored! English, hated it. And from my posts, you can
>probably tell that. My grammar usage is not the best, but I am working on
>it. When I took my first Spanish class, I was amazed! I sped right through
>the textbook, learning it as fast as I could....and what amazed me the most
>(and in reference to everything falling into place), was in conjugating
>Spanish verbs and learning Spanish grammar, I learned how to apply it to my
>English courses, and, as a result, received better marks in English. The
>next year, I needed more of a challenge, so I did Spanish II and French I,
>back to back! Oh what fun it was! Now, if only I could remember it all
>today. :-(
>
>The math mis-understanding is a shame, I guess, in hindsight. I hope
schools
>today are a lot better at prepping young minds.
>
>Erika
>
>"There are only two ways to live your life: One is as though nothing is a
>miracle, the other is as though everything is." - Albert Einstein
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Dewey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:10 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>I'm always amazed at the number of people who consider math to be 'hard'.
>It really isn't, but we're taught from a very early age to be afraid of
math
>and science... like it's magic or something (reference to arthur clarke
>ignored for now).
>
> Just for the record, as a CS/math major, I struggled through the
>curriculum. IRC was much more entertaining, but that's another story. I
>went through the motions, but trigonometry and calculus were worse than
>learning a foreign language (hey, is that why everything uses greek
>letters?!? how clever!). When I took physics class, everything fell into
>place. Sines, co-sines, differentiation, rates of change, etc etc etc (the
>relationship between accelleration, velocity, and distance is all explained
>through... calc!). Oh, ok... so I wanted to be an astronaught when I grew
>up. So sue me.
> Since I'm ranting and raving... I always thought of mathmatics as
'exact'.
>After all, in grade school you're taught to get the 'right answer'. But
>life isn't about right answers, and higher math is even less so. You can
>get by with 'close enough' (unless you're doing proofs, once again, another
>story). When you take trig, you use approximations. No one knows the
exact
>value of e, or Pi. With calc it gets worse. I remember someone asking the
>prof "how do you know you've reached the right answer". The response was
>"well, it didn't go to 0 or to infinity, did it?'. I don't know about you,
>but that sounds less like science and more like art!
>
>I know I'm a minority on this list, but raise your hand if you loved
>operations research!
>
>---
>Daniel Dewey |"Tell me, and I'll forget.
>Systems Developer | Show me, and I may not remember.
>MCP (NT srvr/wkstn/eprise) | Involve me, and I'll understand."
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Native American Proverb
>http://www.pobox.com/~dewey | 610-868-1421, x115
> The National Association of Colleges and Employers
>
> These opinions are mine, and may not be the same as my employer
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erika L Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:08 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>Nick,
>
>For the mathematically challenged, those subjects are a bit tough. I mean I
>managed to pull B's, but it was like laboring intensively under 110 degree
>conditions with no food and water...absolute torture to get through....I'm
>basically a artsy person, like to paint and draw, so my brain just couldn't
>handle all the calculations. Besides, back then, I didn't know I was going
>into programming.
>
>I have to say though, I did attend an 11-month programming course a couple
>of years ago, Java, C, JavaScript, RPG were the subjects, and my inability
>to process calculations really never came into play. I passed with a 98.5
>average and thoroughly enjoyed all. So I still don't see where it comes
into
>play.....unless you are talking about physically seeing how to get to the
>bottom of calculation like in shopping carts and things.....which I can
>visually see and work through.
>
>Just because I am curious how others code, can you give me an example?
>
>Erika
>
>"There are only two ways to live your life: One is as though nothing is a
>miracle, the other is as though everything is." - Albert Einstein
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:34 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: CS vs BFA
>
>
>This is strange, I find myself using algebra and calc all the time in my
>programming.
>
>and I am not being a smart ass here.
>
>At 08:35 PM 4/8/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >The short version:
> >
> >Tried college, couldn't do it. I was an artsy, geeky type and hated
school,
> >it was boring. Couldn't figure out where I was going to apply
> >algebra/calculus to life...so I quit.
> >
> >Worked my way up the corporate ladder as a cash office
> >clerk/cashier/plan-o-gram manager/store-opener/assistant buyer/clerk for
a
> >big retail chain for 2.5 years, had a panic attack from the stress, quit,
> >then trained horses (10 years, most full-time, part-time up until 3 years
> >ago) during which I maintained a career in the printing industry doing
> >graphic design and implementing digital technologies, hit the salary
>ceiling
> >and decided to go the internet route.
> >
> >Now I am deliriously happy in my career of choice.
> >
> >Erika
> >
> >"It is better to be wrong than to simply follow convention. If you are
> >wrong, no matter, you have learned something and will grow stronger. If
you
> >are right, you have taken another step toward a fulfilling life." - Bryce
> >Courteney
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Marc Garrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 10:12 AM
> >To: CF-Community
> >Subject: Re: CS vs BFA
> >
> >
> >I was an English major, then took my Juris Doctor and worked as an
> >environmental consultant before turning to databases and CF/ASP.
> >
> >Someday, in a perfect world, I hope to tie it all together. :-)
> >
> >Marc Garrett
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Judith Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:58 AM
> >Subject: Re: CS vs BFA
> >
> >
> > > Woohoo! Now I don't feel so awkward.
> >
>
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