You've already assumed that people aren't doing this on their own time,
which is an assumption you don't have the information to support.
My boss likes that I am active in the community because that means that I
know the scoop. He likes that I spend time checking coldfusion list email,
whether it's to get technical information or just make friends with people
who may be able to help our company in the future. However, it's not like I
abuse this situation. I claim a maximum of 1/8 of my day for email, no
matter how many hours I actually spend on email. If I am spending more time
on email, I still work the number of hours claimed on my timesheet. I
usually work an eight hour day, including one hour of email. Any
non-billable activities beyond that are on my own time. I am a salaried
employee but a lunch break is not included in my 8 hour work day.
If I spend time checking slashdot or @stake or the Allaire website forum, I
include that in my hour of email because the hour is dedicated to making
friends in the computer industry and learning about issues that may
directly affect my work. There have been several times already that I have
discovered security holes on our servers because I was reading @stake's
daily news, and the general knowledge that I have obtained through
non-security sites has helped us with networking problems, hardware and
software problems, server recommendations, and impressing potential
clients. There have been many times that I have posed questions to cf-talk
that have garnered fast responses because people know me and want to help
me out.
When it comes to a crunch situation, the time I have spent here flirting,
throwing muffins, and talking about drugs actually benefits the company. I
work 7 billable hours a day (my company considers in-house work billable)
and my boss knows that the other hour of my time has helped us on many
occasions. If I just can't afford to spend time on email, I set my email
client to not check my personal mail account (this one), which allows me to
get all business mail and no distractions.
At 08:04 AM 5/24/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Paul,
>
>I have very happy employees. I give them work to do, enable them with the
>tools and skills to do it and expect quality results. They get paid by the
>hour. They are not paid to screw around on meaningless lists. If they want
>to do that, they do it on their own time - off the clock. So, yes a REAL
>employer cares or that employer will not be in business long. I have a
>great relationship with all my programmers. They work for me because they
>get exciting projects, get paid well, work in a great environment and love
>to come to work. You speak about things that you have no knowledge. Find
>ing good, responsible and detail-oriented programmers is tough. Most want
>way too much money for the skill set the possess. Most do not do any more
>than the minimum they need do to get by. Most spend too much time screwing
>around with personal email, vell phone, pages and stupid lists at work.
>Excessive time spent on such things is definitely the mark of a poor employee.
>
>Jim Nitterauer
>
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:03:11 -0400
>
> >Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim jim, jimmy Jim jim....
> >the mark of a great employer is not to micromanage there employees into
> >quitting.
> >
> >to see the amount of great work 1 person can do in 8 hours is amazing.
> >what does a real employer care if 2 hours of that 10 hour day is used to
> >blow off steam.
> >
> >lowers there chance of burning out, having a stroke, or up & quitting to
> >become a game developer..
> >keeping your people happy is the most important thing.
> >you get so much more back from a happy group of developers.
> >
> >then a stogy, militaristic work ethic.
> >
> >
> >every one says the market sucks for programmers, this is bs.
> >
> >
> >-paul
> >
> >
>
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