> If some guy gets in your face and starts running his mouth,
> eventually it gets to the point where the person who is the receiver of
this
> verbal diarrhea can say, "Step off or I'm going to kick your ass," or just
> kick his ass. Some people just have to have it.

lol .. well, I guess that's just when you utter a resounding F.U. and roll
up the window and drive away, but, if not, I still fail to see how someone
speaking some words, though offesive they may be, warrants physical
violence.
(Domcrats/Republicans/Hindus/Jews/Christians/English/Russians/Americans/Chin
ese suck like there's no tomorrow and they deserve whatever they get!! Come,
punch my face now!) =-p

> This guy who followed us two blocks, got out of this car and started
yelling
> and cursing and saying, "How can you drive like that? You have kids," and
> then started cursing in front of the kids, got Michael to the point where
he
> was ready (bad back and all) to kick his ass.

Any guy who follows you 2 blocks to persue an accidental confrontation is
probably not safe to confront .. especially with your kids in the car.
Also, "kicking his ass" doesn't really help anyone and really sets a great
example for the kids you are, through potential physical confrontation,
trying to defend from abusive language.  Makes sense.

I don't disagree that some people need a good, old-fashioned fair fight to
talk to them on their level, it's nature, unfortunately, but there is a time
and place .. and in an uncertain evironment, on the side of the road, with
the kiddies chearing on .. well .. maybe "next time" is a better alternative
... and "now" is better lesson :)

Just a thought ..

Todd
-----
To rephrase .. "mess not with violence, for powerfull is it."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Road Rage Hell


> Adam, you'll love this. <g>
>
> Michael is really busy tonight with lists and such (and publishing FA),
and
> can't respond personally. But he wanted you to know that he agrees with
you
> on this. If some guy gets in your face and starts running his mouth,
> eventually it gets to the point where the person who is the receiver of
this
> verbal diarrhea can say, "Step off or I'm going to kick your ass," or just
> kick his ass. Some people just have to have it.
>
> This guy who followed us two blocks, got out of this car and started
yelling
> and cursing and saying, "How can you drive like that? You have kids," and
> then started cursing in front of the kids, got Michael to the point where
he
> was ready (bad back and all) to kick his ass.
>
> Michael is a calm, collected person, but sometimes people just get to a
> point where they have to have their ass kicked. And he has kicked asses in
> the past. Hell, he has been kicked out of yeshiva for kicking classes'
> asses. : )
>
> Really, sometimes people just need it. <g> One on one, hand to hand,
laying
> the "smackdown" on someone -- you know.
>
> Now that was Michael having his say. I will revert to being Judith.
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adam Phillip Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Road Rage Hell
>
>
> > > Um ... whatever happened to being able to speak your mind without
having
> > > someone beat your butt over it?  Just because I have a few choice
words
> > for
> > > you, that does not give you the right to smack me upside the head.
> >
> > I don't know about the rest of the country, but here in Georgia we call
> > these "fighting words," and they are legal grounds for engaging in
> physical
> > combat.  Fighting words, or even yelling at someone for that matter, are
> > considered assault under the law in Georgia.  It is generally recognized
> in
> > the law that men should be able to save face by showing an aggressor the
> > business end of an iron fist.
> >
> > This is one of the very highest forms of civility in society, as it
makes
> us
> > think twice about what we say and why, and promotes general courtesy
> between
> > civilized men.  If a weaker man is bullied into fighting, then the bully
> is
> > turned out and shunned or put in his place.  If the weaker man runs his
> > mouth to start things off, then he gets what he gets, and that's that.
> >
> > > Don't
> > > try to make that sound like it was Ben's fault.  The other guy didn't
> > > retaliate in kind, he escalated the confrontation .. that's just not
> > > excusable.
> >
> > I wasn't there, but if Ben started it with his mouth and the other guy
> ended
> > it with his fists, knees, and feet -- one-on-one, and without a weapon
> other
> > than his body -- then that's that, pal.  End of story, and learn your
> lesson
> > quick so there isn't a next time.
> >
> > > Of course, next time you say something someone doesn't like, I guess
> it's
> > ok
> > > if they track you down and pelt you to death with muffins ... seeing
as
> > how
> > > you asked for it and all by daring to argue with them ..
> > >
> > > Todd
> >
> > You got _THAT_ right, pal.  Anytime, anywhere someone has a beef with me
> for
> > any reason, I'm ready to hear him out and either clear up the
> > misunderstanding, apologize if I was wrong, or go to absolute
out-and-out
> > WAR the old fashioned way.  I'm so sick and #$*^%%^ tired of these
whimpy
> > little "I'll have a half-caf decaf mocha with Ceylonese cinnamon and
extra
> > foam" monthly facial dermabrasion and mud pack so-called "men" that I
> could
> > vomit!  I say things plainly and honestly, I stand by my words, and I'm
> not
> > afraid of getting bloody in the process.  Any other men out there live
the
> > same way?  If so, then you have my respect.  Those of you who truly
"get"
> > what I'm talking about will find such respect of value.
> >
> > On the O'Reilly Factor the other night, he mentioned that people are
> afraid
> > to take a moral stance anymore.  Well I'm not.  By God, I'm not.  I
stand
> > against the utter immorality of cowardice in men, and I challenge all
men
> to
> > get tough with themselves and the other men around them.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Adam Phillip Churvis
> > Advanced Certified ColdFusion Developer
> > Productivity Enhancement, Inc.
> >
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