You crack me up man!
You are the epitomy of the Old Age Neanderthal man!
Have you listened to yourself!??

Saving Face, Walking Away is Being A Wimp, Stand and Fight Like A Man!

Well buddy, if I'm in a club and some jackass gets all up in my face, you damned right 
I'm going to seek every possible
oppurtunity to avoid a confrontation! If that means nodding , holding my hands palms 
up and saying," Yeah boss..you're
right..you hold it down..Sorry.." and then walking away then that's what I'll do.

Because you know what?
I have better things to do with my life, and better things worth living and fighting 
for than to duke it out and risk my life
with some idiot over an argument, or a spilt drink, or a mashed shoe.
What you're describing is the exact reason why people pull guns in night clubs and 
shoot each other,or why if someone rubs
your car on the road, both of you might end up in a fight and one of you might end up 
dead.

You ever consider that when you decide to swing your fist?
You must never have done ANY form of martial arts WHATSOEVER ..and if you did your 
teacher was a blasted moron because he
forgot to teach you any shred of philosophy, any shred of religion or anything else 
that would allow you to rise above your
callous, base instincts from the times when you were swinging through trees and 
beating your chest to keep your damned
territory.

Swing your fist, hit a guy in his temple,or hard enough in his sternum, or in any one 
of a hundred other places..he falls and
dies.
Same as taking a gun out and shooting him.
Same Death Sentence.

Someone talking trash to you is NOT an excuse to kill them!

And only a rank and decrpit IDIOT with no concept of reality would say that getting 
into a fight has not the possibility of
getting someone killed!

That may have been true when you were 13 and your bones were nice and soft and things 
stopped when blood was drawn, but not
at the age of an adult..also referred to as the AGE OF REASON!

How many times have you read that two people get into a argument because someone said 
something about someones mother, or
daughter...and then they get into a fight.And either one of them gets killed 
'accidentally' right then and there, or
a while later one of them comes back with a gun and shoots the other guy dead.

You consider those things before you talk with your fist?

It happened here in Trinidad not too far from where I live just Sunday at a birthday 
party held in a Pub (And I live in a
fairly upscale neighbourhood, ergo nowhere is exempt). Some guy made a lewd comment 
(which could have been as simple as
'Darling..I have something here fuh yuh!') and her brother steps up to the guy..they 
argue, others get involved..the guy is
told to leave the pub. An hour later he pulls up in a car, whips out a 9mm and BLAW! 
BLAW! One dead brother.I'm not making
this up..that's the truth. Happened Sunday. Which is why when I read what you had to 
say I was in conniptions at what I see
to be your naivete.

See the difference is, in todays world if someone gets into a fight, they have to be 
prepared to kill the other person. So
guns..fists..its all the same..one possible outcome. One doesn't enter a fight with 
the intention of leaving the other person
alive...its a horrid thing to have to keep looking over your shoulder and wondering if 
it's really over. And everyone has a
mother, a father...many people have children..a wife..people that depend on them. Look 
up to them, no matter if they're the
bases, most horrid, most stupid person on the earth. So keep that in mind too next 
time you think to get into a brawl.

So probably in your little testosterone shrouded world of Saving Face and 'Honor Among 
Men' and what ever other little dead
and shredded Chivalric theories you hold in your head that swinging fists and 
defending your 'rights' if someone bad talks
you or your family is very Noble (What rights btw? The right not to be made fun of? 
o_0? ). If my girlfriend, or wife, or
mother thinks less of me then so be it, but it's happened before and they were the 
ones saying to leave it be, and just let's
walk away.Physical confrontation is one thing..verbal heckling is another. It has to 
happen repeatedly, and over a period of
time before it amounts to provocation (and you must have reported it as such to the 
authorities before that).

I'm saying that if it ever happens that I start a fight in my world, the real world, 
it would have to be serious enough to
kill over. And if I make a bad joke and someone wants to fight over it, I apologise. 
And several businessmen in this country
(and even the average joe in your country) carry firearms, and most of them may 
physically fall under your definition of
wimps and pussies and look like pushovers.

That's how it is in the real world in the 21st Century Adam.
Guns have replaced fists.
You never know who's carrying.

And if you're 6' something over two hundred pounds...and the other guy is 5 foot 4 
135Lbs..the self defence laws swing to his
favor when you decide to swing a punch.
Think.

Also if you can't take what we call picong (heckling,bar talk) in Trinidad, you can't 
live here. You'd go crazy, and end up
in Jail...where the policemen would then be the ones jabbing and insulting you 
verbally. "Wha'm white boy? So ah man just
soot yuh gyal and yuh break he jaw and he arm just so? Where yuh think yuh is boy?". 
And what you going to do then? Fight all
of them from your jail cell? Hahahahahah!

Check your John Wayne sentiments at the door, because if you live your life by them 
and actually get yourself into these
situations, you're going to get killed sooner or later.The only cowboys left are there 
for the tourists.

And if you must know, no I don't get into those situations.
Very few people would see me,or a girl I'm with and think to bad talk either of us...
for one reason or another. (certainly not because I look physically intimidating ;-))

So sure cowboy, I'll take your alcohol.If you're buying I'm drinking ^_^.
But I must warn you that I don't attract young impressionable people.
My off beat humor,cutting cynicism and sarcasm actually tends to keep young , 
impressionable people away and makes it
difficult for people to get to know me. (Not to mention I'm actually a rather shy 
individual around strangers).
;-)

-Gel
"The WIld Wild West!
Yeah we living in the Wild Wild West!
Come and take me to the Wild Wild West!
We're going straight Toooo The Wild Wild West!"

Where calling someone Mister could get you killed.
;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Phillip Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> Can you smell..
> The testosterone toni-iiighhtt!
<*snip!*>

Gel,

Tell me one thing though, and please be serious if you would: exactly how
would you react if some guy came up to you and started making lewd comments
about your four year-old daughter?  Or your wife?  Or your mother?  You seem
to be able to make fun of anything that smacks of violence, as if that isn't
good enough for you-- as if you have a better way.

So... how do you handle such things, Gel?  And none of this "I don't get
myself into those situations" stuff-- it isn't always up to you.  Seriously
now, what do you do?

Respectfully,


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