Another example would be the techno-mages from Babylon 5. And, if I
remember the episode correctly, the lead mage used that quote to Cpt.
Sheridan.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:18 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Indulge me..
>
>
> re: the future, don't forget the Prophets.
> Just had class at Temple last term on the Prophets. Fascinating.
>
> And re: "angels" - Robert Heinlein said "any sufficiently advanced
> technology is indistinguishable from magic". Those who wield advanced
> technology have often been deified in some way. E.g., Star Trek classic
> "The Paradise Syndrome" - Kirk emerges from the "temple" (asteroid
> deflector) and is promptly declared a God, wed to the chief's
> daughter, and
> made the medicine man (who is none to happy about it). He cuts Kirk with a
> knife, and exclaims in wonderment "Behold a God who bleeds!"
>
> -Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Painter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 6:19 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Indulge me..
>
>
> <un_lurk>
>
> I remember reading about this a long time ago, and I just finished
> re-reading that chapter in the bible. I think what you are
> referring to is
> Genesis chapter 6 where it refers to "sons of God" sleeping with the
> "daughters of men". The "sons of God" are often interpreted as
> angels that
> are co-habitating with earthly people. There are other texts
> where "sons of
> God" simply mean Godly men, and not angels, so it can be
> interpreted either
> way.
>
> Many have interpreted angels or any person like creature that
> "fell from the
> sky" as being an alien.Technically speaking an angel could be
> considered an
> "alien". (As in "not of this earth")
>
> There is also talk of the "Nephilim" -- the hebrew word for this
> is "fallen
> ones". Many people have interpreted this to be those angels that
> fell from
> heaven with Lucifer.However, the Nephilim are also refered to as
> "heroes of
> old/men of renown". Most likely it is interpreted as a people of
> great size
> that were once great warriors but are now regular old sinners like you an
> me. :)
>
> As for the act of fortelling the future -- the Bible if filled
> with hundreds
> of prophecies fortelling the future and in the new testament, the book of
> Revelation is chock full of it.
>
> </un_lurk>
>
> Regards,
> Tim P.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Ihrig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 8:07 AM
> Subject: RE: Indulge me..
>
>
> > for me it causes no anomalies.
> > i believe God created man a little above the angels/daemons.
> >
> > so it goes to show my god experimented with life before mucking
> about with
> > the earth.
> >
> > in turn, the falling away of Lucifer for the presence of the lord,
> indicates
> > that a massive amount of life forms exist in the universe,
> > that at this moment have little to no law to reign them in.
> >
> > so in turn, there ability to reproduce or prorogate is possible, as long
> as
> > it is not with human kind.
> >
> > i think in the old testament there was mention of this happening, before
> the
> > flood.
> > in turn the 1/2 alien 1/2 human creatures were destroyed.
> >
> > but then again, if god said hey, man don't lay with the angels
> or you will
> > be toast.
> > then a few thousand years latter man figures out a way to evolve into a
> > hybrid with out the physical act,
> > then that opens up a whole new can of beans
> >
> > hmmmm....
> > time to pull out the canvas & oils again.
> >
> > -paul
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 2:23 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Indulge me..
> >
> >
> > All this talk about Religion...and its worth...its end result of War..of
> > hatred in many instances.
> > All this passion over something which no one can readily
> explain..all this
> > over 'Faith'.
> >
> > Indulge me for a moment.
> >
> > What if...don't roll your eyes ;-) ..
> >
> > What if there is a fact, that someone can see the future. Either while
> awake
> > (lets hope they don't have a driver's license or
> > else can otherwise control this hee hee) , or asleep.
> >
> > Time, is supposed to be a constant force throughout the universe, as is
> the
> > speed of light. In our fantasies we think that
> > either can be broken, and bent...molded to the will of man (Star Trek,
> Star
> > Wars, Alien Sightings, Alien Abductions, Alien
> > Lovers...errm..well..maybe not the last one but I was on a roll).
> >
> > But what if there were proof that one of these forces: Time
> (and thus the
> > other) could be transmuted..somehow..by the human
> > condition.
> >
> > What would that mean for our Religions? What would that mean for our
> > beliefs?
> > What if Clairvoyance was real, and there WERE people that fall asleep
> > tonight, and see in bits and fragments what will occur
> > tomorrow..or a week from now. Or a year.
> > What would that mean for the nature of the world about us...the Universe
> in
> > which we live?
> > Think about it.
> >
> > If the FUTURE can be seen..what does that say about our Present?
> > What does it mean for our past..(which only exists because we remember
> it).
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> > And Indulge me once again.
> >
> > Many of us are Science Fiction fans. We believe in other lifeforms out
> > there..that other forms of intelligent life do
> > exist..MUST exist in the vast expanse of the universe. Some believe that
> we
> > on earth have been visited..some belive that they
> > themselves have been visited ( and personally I don't know why
> they can't
> be
> > some really cute lovely alien women instead of
> > these odd grey freaks that hover around the bed
> and...*ahem*...anyways..).
> >
> > Yet these same people profess Faith. Profess to be of one
> religion, or the
> > other. How do these religions co-incide with a
> > belief of life outside our planet?
> >
> > If Our Saviour is the Muffin, then are these Alien races damned for not
> > Knowing the Muffin?
> >
> > Or instead is it our duty to repeat the horrors of our history and Teach
> > them the Recipe for the Muffin, whether they like it
> > or not?
> >
> > I'm just curious how people deal with this , to me, obvious dichotomy
> > of..."Faith" (In one thing or the other).
> >
> > >:-)
> >
> > -Gel
> >
>
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