I can only talk from memory till I get home to the actual source but the
verse speaks of the son of morning. In context this is a babalonian
(akkadian?) king, not a fallen angel. There is no rebellion in the Torah of
angels (though there is a slight fall). haSatan is a loyal angel of God who
is doing his job. Look at the book of Job to see that. haSatan (which
literally means 'the adversary') asks God for permission to torment Job.
He's the adversary of man, not God.
Just to step back for a minute, the angels mentioned in Berashis 6 (genesis
but I hate using the greek terms) are angels who asked to see what it was
like to be like man. They knew they could not go back and thats a whole
other story that I'll (again) have to get you from home.
I really wish I had access to my library from here. With the Hebrew on my
lap, the commentaries at my hands I could give you pages of material.
At 10:53 AM 8/20/01, you wrote:
> > >that a massive amount of life forms exist in the universe,
> > >that at this moment have little to no law to reign them in.
> > Side note. The name Lucifer as a spiritual entity is based on a total
> > mis-translation of a line in the Torah. This is a well know fact but
> > because it's been 'accepted' for so long it's just left as is. Of course,
> > there now is a spiritual being called Lucifer because of the
> > belief of all
> > these people that he exists.
>
>Can you elaborate on the mis-translation? Is the problem in the _name_ or
>the character as a whole? Does the Torah have the concept of a "second to
>God" type angel who rebels against God?
>
>-Ray
>
>
>
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