Some fine lines here. When I said abortion was a sin, that was a religious concept. When you say it is murder, I assume you are using a legal definition since you are an atheist or agnostic, right? If not, a moral one? What is it? Because in the legal definition there is a distinction
between life and potential life, and it doesn't seem like a bad best guess to me.

I do think that since the anti-abortion people have the slogan that "She's a child, not a choice" that the pro-choice tend to over-react a bit to the term. I personally use it because what I know about pregnancy comes from talking to obstetricians, and that's the term they use when discussing risk tradeoffs, for example whether it's ok to have carpal tunnel surgery in the second trimester of pregnancy.

I also think that it is much easier to be in favor of abortion if you do not think of the fetus as a child. This is just a matter of definition, really, depending on the stahe of the pregnancy and on whether "child" is defined to include only post-natal juveniles.

I dislike all the emotion that the anti-abortion guys throw around. I see plenty of it because someone in our parking lot apparently performs abortions. The entrance to the parking lot is picketed 3 days a week. Much as it annoys me to be offered a rosary and pictures of dead babies every time I go into or out of the parking lot, those people have a right to be there. And in their point of view they are possibly saving lives. Certainly they are making a stand...this has been going on for anout a year on and off (sigh)

Dana

>>>Dana, calling "abortion" "murdering our children" is a religious
>> concept, imo, not common sensical.  A fetus is not a "child".
>
>I believe I said it was murdering children. This is not a religious concept
>to me. It IS common sense. If you are pregnant and you choose to end the
>pregnancy by abortion, then you are murdering your child. To me, life begins
>upon conception. There is also a double standard here, when some people
>argue for abortion, they claim that the fetus is not a child, but then when
>they get the news that their sister/cousin/friend just had a miscarriage,
>they rush over to confort them when they lost their baby. If it's not a
>baby, you should tell them on the phone, "hey, toughen up. It's not a baby,
>it's just a collection of cells" yeah, right.
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