-----Original Message-----
From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 1:37 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
there is no premeditated malice when a 14 year old decides she isnt ready to
be a mother either.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Stanley
To: CF-Community
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: Conversation Topic - Abortion
>>So the mother who aborts her pregnancy in order to save her life isnt'
murdering her child then?
The child still dies. But there is not premeditated malice. But then
again,
another definition of murder is "To put an end to", which is what is
happening in either case.
-----Original Message-----
From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:53 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
So the mother who aborts her pregnancy in order to save her life isnt'
murdering her child then? just mothers whose birth control fails?
----- Original Message -----
From: John Stanley
To: CF-Community
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:34 AM
Subject: RE: Conversation Topic - Abortion
>>If you don't have a better solution, then perhaps you should keep your
extremeist view to yourself until you do.
So only people who feel strongly about something and have a better
solution
to that problem are able to participate? That's nice to know. I thought
this
was a discussion list.
>>Not everyone who has an abortion did so because they were
irresponsible.
Birth control methods FAIL.
Abortion shouldnt be used as birth control.
>>One of the things I made very clear to my now-spouse is that if I were
to
get pregnant with a severely disabled child (possible certainly at my
age!)
or if the pregnancy were to threaten my life, I wouldn't have the child
Already said I didnt have a problem with abortions for medical
emergencies.
-----Original Message-----
From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 2:34 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
If you don't have a better solution, then perhaps you should keep your
extremeist view to yourself until you do. Not everyone who has an
abortion
did so because they were irresponsible. Birth control methods FAIL.
We are currently trying to have a kid. One of the things I made very
clear
to my now-spouse is that if I were to get pregnant with a severely
disabled
child (possible certainly at my age!) or if the pregnancy were to
threaten
my life, I wouldn't have the child. It was hard for him to live with -
he
has a disabled sister and is a lapsed catholic.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Stanley
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: Conversation Topic - Abortion
sorry I missed this post in the sea of responses.
hmm....i dont know, am not a doctor, so i cant give a valid medical
emergency. i think if the doctor sits down and tells the mother that
her
life could be in danger if she continues the pregnancy, then that
should
be
enough information to make it an emergency. but then I am sure that
the
same
logic could be used to make the argument that pregnancy itself is a
medical
emergency because "n" number of women die during childbirth every
year.
<rant>
the thing that gets me about this is the people who are content to
screw
and
then have an abortion just because they feel they made the wrong
decision.
to me this smacks of the selfishness that is pervasive in todays
society.
people need to step up and be responsible. if you do something, be a
g.d.
adult about it and take responsibility. instead we legalize this
horrific
act, and sue mcdonalds because we got too fat, let our brat kids run
and
scream in the stores, tailgate in our monster trucks, and dont really
give
two shits about how anyone else is doing.
i talk to my grandparents on the phone quite often, and they are
amazed
at
the mentality of people today, about how much complaining there is for
everything.
the older I get the more sick of this crap I become.
i dont have any solutions, which is a hell in itself.
</rant>
-----Original Message-----
From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:25 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
what's the definition of a medical emergency? That's the rub. I had
two
pregnancies that each posed a serious risk to my health. I elected to
continue them, and came away with no permanent consequences. But it
was
my
decision and had it been otherwise it would have been due to my
decision.
Makes all the difference in the world. I would be very much against
some
panel telling women oh no, you have to continue this pregnancy because
bla
bla is not a serious enough risk to your health.
Dana
>My take: Women shouldnt be able to use it for birth control. It
should
be
>available for medical emergencies and that's it. It is my opinion
that
we
>shouldnt have laws that make it legal to murder our children. No
religious
>tenets here, just common sense.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:59 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Conversation Topic - Abortion
>
>
>What is everyone's take on abortion? I think this is a huge topic and
a
>great conversation topic to get all kinds of opinions and views on...
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