Look, I too want those responsible for the attacks to be found brought
to
trial/punished but I have a huge problem with the idea of rounding up
"terrorists" and shooting them indiscriminately which is what you
advocate
below.
I can appreciate that lots of people on the list are deeply hurt by the
recent attacks and want the perps brought to justice. And from what I
can
see, most people want justice but with due diligence.
Lets just examine your first sentence:
"well if you had shot them all then they would not be a problem"
Looking at the raw logic, yes, you're right, if *all* IRA terrorists
were
killed there would not have been a problem.
Now let's look at it from a "realist's" point of view.
What determines whether someone is an IRA terrorist?
"They all have a problem with government and so are vocal, have beards,
wear
wooly Aran sweaters, like traditional Irish music. We want justice
quickly
so it doesn't matter if we found guns, explosives etc. although we did
find
some guns and ammo.
Heh, maybe we caught a few innocent people who were too stupid to be
vocal
about civil rights but we have to kill all these terrorists so that's
too
bad and off we go. Sounds rational enough to me.
Damn, we just found out that some of the really really bad guys weren't
at
their houses when we went to arrest them. How inconsiderate. Well
doesn't
matter, we'll just kill the ones we have because after that, the ones
in
hiding won't touch us."
Can you imagine what happens next?
The ones you couldn't catch suddenly go nuts in levels of violence and
funnily enough they have a lot of new friends to help them.
"I know it's harsh and it sucks and you know what, life sucks in a lot
of
ways."
If your solution was even remotely viable I might barely be able to put
with
such an act but I just find your view stupefyingly na�ve. How can
you
possibly imagine that people would just put up with innocents being
killed
around them. If anything you've just created the best recruitment
advertisement possible.
Thinking of Ireland, most normal people would have no problem with
taking
down the terrorists but if you start taking out innocent people as well
and
chalk it up collateral damage that's a different story. At that point
you're going to drive normally non-violent people to joining up to
protect
themselves and you have a much bigger problem on your hands.
Think back to your own rebellious history here in the US? Did American
people simply go into submission when the British won the first few
battles?
No, if anything it increased their resolve to become independent.
All the best,
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:47 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Communication about the attack
well if you had shot them all then they would not be a problem. I know
it's
harsh and it sucks and you know what, life sucks in a lot of ways.
The problem with taking the high road all the time is that you are up
there
for everyone to shoot at.
Just think how much power the IRA would have if in the beginning GB had
killed hundreds for even being suspected... I know I'd be very leery to
join
up. And just think how many terrorists cells will be less likely to
mess
with the US if we take them and the country harboring them out. How
many
countries are likely to continue harboring these fiends?
The saying is "For every action there is an equal and opposite
reaction",
not "For every action we will take the high road and be better people"
while
our friends and family are killed at will by people who don't really
care
if they are sinking to a lower level.
J.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Gilchrist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:30 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Communication about the attack
I don't think you understand. GB did try and put away all the
terrorists at
the start by introducing emergency powers and internment. They
basically
went out and imprisoned hundreds of people without trial.
Guess what happened?
A some of those folks weren't terrorists at all
B Because of A, it just galvanised the nationalist community and people
joined the IRA in droves.
That sort of solution isn't fighting fire with fire, it's poring gas on
the
fire. Good job the GB didn't just round em into a field and shoot them.
God
knows what would have happened then.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:17 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Communication about the attack
No they're the reason that something like this happens so infrquently
here
and the rest of the world is terrorized so often. You think our
airports
became unsecure in the last few months. This could have happenned at
any
time for years now, but no one has been organized or gutsy enough to
pull it
off, now they have and the US needs to make it clear to the world that
we
won't put up with it the way GB puts up with the IRA. If you hunted
down the
IRA and got done with the whole thing you wouldn't have to be afraid of
bombs each day going off. Clearly the ignore it and it will go away
approach
is not the right one.
J.
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:06 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Communication about the attack
Jeez, listen to yourself? Your opinion(s) are why acts like these are
aimed
at the US! Do we in GB decide to carpet bomb Ireland after the IRA or
its
breakaway groups explose a bomb in London or in the UK?
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