was
> > not what all you are quoting,
> > but was from the Iraq Ex-patriots who fed him
> > completely false information.
> > Ex=patriots who were being paid $450,000 per
> year
> > from the US treasury.
> Yes we didn�t have spies on the ground there and
> we
> should have.
> There were other countries that told us Saddam had
> WMD�s, so it wasn�t just the ex-patriots.
> This is what Tommy Franks is saying in his book.
> He says multiple Middle Eastern leaders, including
> Jordan's King Abdullah and Egypt's
> Hosni Mubarak, told Franks that Iraq had weapons
> of
> mass destruction.
> In January 2003, Mubarak said point blank to
> Franks,
> "Saddam has
> WMD-biologicals, actually-and he will use them on
> your
> troops."
>
> All turned out to be false, didn't it? The saying
> that "We just have not
> found them yet" is an empty statement now.
You claimed all the intel came from two ex-patriots,
now you�re backpedaling.
> > 4. For putting in place a foreign policy that
> caters
> > only to the fat cats and to
> > He** with everyone else.
>
> Well Cheney is a Former CEO, and still a Major
> stockholder.
> Condeleeza Rice, The Sec State, and Sec Defense
> are major stockholders and all
> are personal beneficiaries of the huge profits, in
> spite of evidence of
> overcharging, duplicate billing and other unlawful
> acts which woudl get
> contracts summarily cancelled if it were anyone
> else.
That�s been beaten to death and they both came out
clean.
>
> > 5. For claiming, still, that there was an Al Q
> connection in Iraq.
>
> On the Contrary, both Bush and Cheney have as late
> as this month, in campaign
> speeches, still assert "There was a connection."
They say that now, but not last year.
> > 6. For screwing over the seniors on Medicare
> No it isn't. Seniors used to be able to purchase
> supplemental insurance to
> cover prescriptions and co-pays, but that is all
> prohibited by the new act. And
> of course it guarantees the drug comapmnies profits
> by not having to negotiate
> volume discounts, and outlawing the purchase of
> prescriptions in Canada and
> Mexico. In fact any senior that votes for bush is
> just not seeing what has been
> done to them.
I don�t know enough about this to discuss further.
> > 7, For wrecking the US economy, some have gotten
> > jobs, here in S. A. the layoffs
> > continue as MCI laid off a ton of people Friday,
> > continuing a pattern of job
>
> In the news today; US industry growth at 30-year
> high
>
> That means little or nothing a jump 10 10 % in
> the lower range, cannot
> compare with the loss fo 45% over three years.
>
> The stock market, whch so many depend on for their
> retirement, is still 30+%
> lower than the day Bush took office. and has just
> suffereed another 5 week of
> decline in value.
The stock market was a bubble thriving off the
Internet. Bush inherited a recession and did a hell of
a job turning it around.
> > 9, For claiming our forces in Iraq are a
> "coalition"
> > when they are only the
> > countries who're receiving huge amounts of money
> > from the US treasury, or were
> > intimidated with the threat of loss of aid.
>
> That�s just not true.
>
> Show me a country other than Great Britain that is
> not receiving millions in
> "aid" in return for their membership. For instance,
> the country of Egypt is
> receiving more aid from the US than Israel is.
Here�s the list of countries helping in Iraq. Albania,
Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic,
Denmark, Dominican Rep, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia,
Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South
Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova,
Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland,
Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Thailand, United Kingdom,
and Ukraine.
I�m sure we�re not sending millions to all of them.
Did we increase the aid we gave them when the war
started or where they getting it all along?
> > 10, for the loss of allies and respect of major
> > powers around the globe. I laud
> > the Turks for turning down the offer of the big
> > bucks and refused to let the US
> > troops land.
>
> Who did we lose? France and Germany? That�s only
> two
> countries.
>
> France, Germany, Russia, Spain, Phillipines,
> Japan, Malaysia, and there are
> more.
> There are over 75 countries allied with us in
> Afganistan, and less than 10 in
Iraq. Go figure.
Philippines were finishing up anyway, they pulled out
a week early.
Spain gave into the terrorist; we didn�t loose their
respect.
At this time, 32 non-U.S. military forces are
contributing to the ongoing stability operations
throughout Iraq. These countries are Albania,
Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic,
Denmark, Dominican Rep, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia,
Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South
Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova,
Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland,
Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Thailand, United Kingdom,
and Ukraine.
>
> >
> > 11. For not spending at least the same effort
> in Afghanistan to rid the world �
> The remnants of the Taliban are alive and well,
> and back inthe opiate business
> exporting via Iran. Osama and loyalists are rumored
RUMORED? You base your statement on rumors? Why do I
bother?
> to be operating inthe wild
> border region between Packistan and Afganistan. All
> the BS about stopping the
> flow of their funding has turned out to be empty
> rhetoric, and that is still
> alive and well. The Pressure that Pakistan is
> applying in the area is directly
> proportional to the quantity of US dollars being
> given to them.
Rumors spread by the far left mean nothing to me.
> > 19, For misusing the security acts, to
obfuscate
> > and hide evidence of malfeasance and wrongdoing
by his and his
> father's administrations by secreting the documents
and other evidence.
>
> Can you elaborate?
>
> All the documetns revealing the Rumsfield and
> Cheney involvement in the Sale
> of WMD to Iraq were declared sealed by Bush and
> labelled as "In the interest of
> National Security." Very widely reported
> previously.
Rumsfield went to Iraq to make sure they weren�t
making WMD�s. Lies again.
> > 20. Masc. items, The Patriot Act, The prisoner
> > handing, The anti-constitution
> > Attorney General, and more.
>
> I think we need the patriot act and Bush didn�t
> put
> the panties on the prisoner�s head.
>
> Existing laws, providing court oversight on
> warrants was eliminated by the
> Patriot Act, and that is a bad thing. Abuses by Law
> Enforcement without checks
> and balances have happened and widely reported,
> especially the FBI, which had
> undergone a previous re-organization because of its
> abuses inthe past. The
> Patriot Act restores these abuses and gives them
> free reign.
The Patriot Act removes the wall Gorelick built. If
that wall wasn�t in place 9/11 might have been
prevented. Until the threat is gone we�ll all have to
make a few sacrifices.
> I shouldn't even enter into another discussion
> with you, because if Rush
> didn't broadcast it, you feel it did not happen.
> I would go to the trouble of providing a number of
> links to back up my
> statements, but it has been shown in the past that
> they have no effect on you,
> therefore I will not go to the trouble. I have not
> mentioned anything above
> that has not already been widely discussed,
> resourced in recent months - and I
> am sure are available in the archives of this list.
I know exactly what you�re talking about. I debunk
left wing lies all the time and get little response,
then a few days later the same lies come up with the
statement �they�re all proved on the list already.�
You people on the left seem to ignore what you don�t
like.
Whatever.
-sm
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