About Gorelick. If you actually read the memo instead of parrotting
the limpblob propanganda, you will notice that she advocated lowering
the so-called walls between the various intelligence communities. Also
it was a republican sponsored bill that was signed by Bush Sr. that
established those walls in the first place.
larry
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:24:36 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 2. His main source of intelligence about Iraq
> was
> > > not what all you are quoting,
> > > but was from the Iraq Ex-patriots who fed him
> > > completely false information.
> > > Ex=patriots who were being paid $450,000 per
> > year
> > > from the US treasury.
> > Yes we didn't have spies on the ground there and
> > we
> > should have.
> > There were other countries that told us Saddam had
> > WMD's, so it wasn't just the ex-patriots.
> > This is what Tommy Franks is saying in his book.
> > He says multiple Middle Eastern leaders, including
> > Jordan's King Abdullah and Egypt's
> > Hosni Mubarak, told Franks that Iraq had weapons
> > of
> > mass destruction.
> > In January 2003, Mubarak said point blank to
> > Franks,
> > "Saddam has
> > WMD-biologicals, actually-and he will use them on
> > your
> > troops."
> >
> > All turned out to be false, didn't it? The saying
> > that "We just have not
> > found them yet" is an empty statement now.
>
> You claimed all the intel came from two ex-patriots,
> now you're backpedaling.
>
> > > 4. For putting in place a foreign policy that
> > caters
> > > only to the fat cats and to
> > > He** with everyone else.
> >
> > Well Cheney is a Former CEO, and still a Major
> > stockholder.
> > Condeleeza Rice, The Sec State, and Sec Defense
> > are major stockholders and all
> > are personal beneficiaries of the huge profits, in
> > spite of evidence of
> > overcharging, duplicate billing and other unlawful
> > acts which woudl get
> > contracts summarily cancelled if it were anyone
> > else.
>
> That's been beaten to death and they both came out
> clean.
>
> >
> > > 5. For claiming, still, that there was an Al Q
> > connection in Iraq.
> >
> > On the Contrary, both Bush and Cheney have as late
> > as this month, in campaign
> > speeches, still assert "There was a connection."
>
> They say that now, but not last year.
>
> > > 6. For screwing over the seniors on Medicare
> > No it isn't. Seniors used to be able to purchase
> > supplemental insurance to
> > cover prescriptions and co-pays, but that is all
> > prohibited by the new act. And
> > of course it guarantees the drug comapmnies profits
> > by not having to negotiate
> > volume discounts, and outlawing the purchase of
> > prescriptions in Canada and
> > Mexico. In fact any senior that votes for bush is
> > just not seeing what has been
> > done to them.
> I don't know enough about this to discuss further.
>
> > > 7, For wrecking the US economy, some have gotten
> > > jobs, here in S. A. the layoffs
> > > continue as MCI laid off a ton of people Friday,
> > > continuing a pattern of job
> >
> > In the news today; US industry growth at 30-year
> > high
> >
> > That means little or nothing a jump 10 10 % in
> > the lower range, cannot
> > compare with the loss fo 45% over three years.
> >
> > The stock market, whch so many depend on for their
> > retirement, is still 30+%
> > lower than the day Bush took office. and has just
> > suffereed another 5 week of
> > decline in value.
>
> The stock market was a bubble thriving off the
> Internet. Bush inherited a recession and did a hell of
> a job turning it around.
>
> > > 9, For claiming our forces in Iraq are a
> > "coalition"
> > > when they are only the
> > > countries who're receiving huge amounts of money
> > > from the US treasury, or were
> > > intimidated with the threat of loss of aid.
> >
> > That's just not true.
> >
> > Show me a country other than Great Britain that is
> > not receiving millions in
> > "aid" in return for their membership. For instance,
> > the country of Egypt is
> > receiving more aid from the US than Israel is.
>
> Here's the list of countries helping in Iraq. Albania,
> Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic,
> Denmark, Dominican Rep, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia,
> Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South
> Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova,
> Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland,
> Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Thailand, United Kingdom,
> and Ukraine.
>
> I'm sure we're not sending millions to all of them.
> Did we increase the aid we gave them when the war
> started or where they getting it all along?
>
> > > 10, for the loss of allies and respect of major
> > > powers around the globe. I laud
> > > the Turks for turning down the offer of the big
> > > bucks and refused to let the US
> > > troops land.
> >
> > Who did we lose? France and Germany? That's only
> > two
> > countries.
> >
> > France, Germany, Russia, Spain, Phillipines,
> > Japan, Malaysia, and there are
> > more.
> > There are over 75 countries allied with us in
> > Afganistan, and less than 10 in
> Iraq. Go figure.
> Philippines were finishing up anyway, they pulled out
> a week early.
> Spain gave into the terrorist; we didn't loose their
> respect.
>
> At this time, 32 non-U.S. military forces are
> contributing to the ongoing stability operations
> throughout Iraq. These countries are Albania,
> Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic,
> Denmark, Dominican Rep, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia,
> Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South
> Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova,
> Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland,
> Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Thailand, United Kingdom,
> and Ukraine.
> >
> > >
> > > 11. For not spending at least the same effort
> > in Afghanistan to rid the world �
>
> > The remnants of the Taliban are alive and well,
> > and back inthe opiate business
> > exporting via Iran. Osama and loyalists are rumored
> RUMORED? You base your statement on rumors? Why do I
> bother?
>
> > to be operating inthe wild
> > border region between Packistan and Afganistan. All
> > the BS about stopping the
> > flow of their funding has turned out to be empty
> > rhetoric, and that is still
> > alive and well. The Pressure that Pakistan is
> > applying in the area is directly
> > proportional to the quantity of US dollars being
> > given to them.
>
> Rumors spread by the far left mean nothing to me.
>
> > > 19, For misusing the security acts, to
> obfuscate
> > > and hide evidence of malfeasance and wrongdoing
> by his and his
> > father's administrations by secreting the documents
> and other evidence.
> >
> > Can you elaborate?
> >
> > All the documetns revealing the Rumsfield and
> > Cheney involvement in the Sale
> > of WMD to Iraq were declared sealed by Bush and
> > labelled as "In the interest of
> > National Security." Very widely reported
> > previously.
> Rumsfield went to Iraq to make sure they weren't
> making WMD's. Lies again.
>
> > > 20. Masc. items, The Patriot Act, The prisoner
> > > handing, The anti-constitution
> > > Attorney General, and more.
> >
> > I think we need the patriot act and Bush didn't
> > put
> > the panties on the prisoner's head.
> >
> > Existing laws, providing court oversight on
> > warrants was eliminated by the
> > Patriot Act, and that is a bad thing. Abuses by Law
> > Enforcement without checks
> > and balances have happened and widely reported,
> > especially the FBI, which had
> > undergone a previous re-organization because of its
> > abuses inthe past. The
> > Patriot Act restores these abuses and gives them
> > free reign.
> The Patriot Act removes the wall Gorelick built. If
> that wall wasn't in place 9/11 might have been
> prevented. Until the threat is gone we'll all have to
> make a few sacrifices.
>
>
> > I shouldn't even enter into another discussion
> > with you, because if Rush
> > didn't broadcast it, you feel it did not happen.
> > I would go to the trouble of providing a number of
> > links to back up my
> > statements, but it has been shown in the past that
> > they have no effect on you,
> > therefore I will not go to the trouble. I have not
> > mentioned anything above
> > that has not already been widely discussed,
> > resourced in recent months - and I
> > am sure are available in the archives of this list.
>
> I know exactly what you're talking about. I debunk
> left wing lies all the time and get little response,
> then a few days later the same lies come up with the
> statement "they're all proved on the list already."
> You people on the left seem to ignore what you don't
> like.
>
> Whatever.
> -sm
>
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