> I respect your position Raymond. > I'm not attacking your beliefs directly. Just trying to > promote discussion and open-minded thought to which we are > both inclined.
Well, it's ok for you to attack my beliefs... I mean, what's wrong with having different beliefs? :) > I just believe that the whole 'freedom' thing is dogma and a > pile of shit. Ok so you can burn your flag. The freedom of > America is always bolstered BY comparing the American 'way of > life' against other countries which is an almost always an > unfair comparison given cultural differences. I believe that Well, let's be honest. No one is 100% free. You can't go murder, rape, etc. Therefore, all defintions of freedom will be in terms of, "How free are you to blah...." > That they existence (which is already the case now) is > defined by their shopping libidos. They are bombarded with > corporate advertising. They have only to choose between Um, so what? Advertising is how companies make money. You have the power to make corps stop advertising (in certain ways) by simply ignoring them. Freedom of speech means both my right to say "Foo is Good" as well as Starbucks saying their coffee is good. My speech may mean a lot more, but both are protected. > Another MAJOR problem i have with the states is that > America's so called freedoms are designed to protect American > only (thus giving them great personal freedom and power than > the other people of the world). Example. Only Americans are > allowed to vote for the position often touted as the 'most > powerful office in the world'. The other 90% of the world > which is hugely effected by the American presidency don't > have a say at all. Wow, so... let me get this straight. Because we have a powerful country, we should give up the right to determine our own leader? So... any country that becomes too powerful should ... what, get a "babysitter" to make sure it does what's "best" for the world? Yes, we have power, but any country is free to ignore us and do what it wills. If they don't want to do business with us, that's their choice. > Another problem is the ruthless corporate cannibalism of > American mulit-nationals that exploit and destroy other > nations and the environment through there practises. These Before a company, let's call it company A, can do business in country B, country B has to allow it. No company is doing anything in a country that is not allowed by law. (Of course, some companies break the law.) My point is - if a country is being "unfair", then it's the country's duty to either kick out the company or change the laws. Don't tell me that Microsoft is going to tell France what to do. > mostly American companies do business outside of America so > they can circumvent the 'protective' laws of freedom and > justice so precious to America. In other word, if it ain't on > our shore, then who gives a fuck. Like Nike says, a dollar a > day is a GOOD wage for a woman in Indonesia making $150.00 shoes. Valid point. Therefore, don't buy Nike. That's how you send a message. Thats how capitalism is/should work. (And, of course, that's a bit simplistic.) -RC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
