No way i'm gonna defend Bush's spending policies.....i think they're terrible.  Perhaps the idea of "if we stayed on this same track" is valid, but we all know that we can't and won't stay on the "same track". Even if Bush is re-elected, his damage is limited to 8 years.  

So make the valid argument that "Bush's policies are so bad that if he were prez for 20 years......". It's a good way to show just how bad his policies are.  But actually believing that insolvency is a real possibility in the coming years, i still think is irrational.

Hope I made the distinction clear....its Friday and i've got budweiser on the brain :)

With that i'm off to St Louis (bleck). Cya monday.

Brian
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gruss Gott
  To: CF-Community
  Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:03 AM
  Subject: Re: It's open season now on our medical records

  > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:25:22 -0500, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  >  But imminent police state or national insolvency in a few years? Those are
  > irrational conclusions, even if they may arise from rational concerns.

  That's a fair point.  I think in the case of insolvency, however, that
  it's not unfounded.  Here's why:

  Won and I were talking about this and he mentioned that if the US were
  in that much trouble the International Monetary Fund would step in.
  Well, what he didn't know, was that the IMF has begun to do just that;
  in January they sent a letter to the US warning that we were heading
  towards insolvency.

  So, to that point, it is a fact not just fear mongering.  This is why
  Mr. Bush's reckless spending has been so disturbing to fiscal
  conservatives.  His non-defense, non-security spending increases has
  been at twice the rate of Mr. Clinton's, 8%.  He's on tracking to be
  the only president to never veto a spending bill.

  It is a fact that if the US were to start today to fund our
  liabilities we'd have to raise taxes by 16% and cut benefits by 15%.
  By 2020, if we continue on the same path, those figures are tax
  increases of 50% and benefit cuts of 60%.

  Those benefits include Medicaid which is the catastrophic health
  insurance.  So, 15 years from now, who's not getting chemotherapy or a
  heart stint?  That's the problem.
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