In the UN Charter there is provision for a country defending itself.
Given a legit threat that requires swift action, then the UN would not
be a hinderance. That is why the UN had no objection to what happened
in Afghanistan or in the Gulf War of 1991.

larry


On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:43:52 -0500, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree with you Gruss.
> 
> Question: Wouldn't the flip side argument to this be that, when faced with a
> legitimate threat that requires swift action, the ambiguous nature of the UN
> would become a dangerous hindrance?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Dying for the United Nations
> 
> > > Howie wrote:
> > > You know, this typifies the difference between GW and JFK.
> >
> > From Bushies you often hear, "what's the UN good for, they don't do
> > anything, they're worthless" etc. etc.
> >
> > The answer is they are good for one thing: the UN represents an
> > ambiguous authority figure without which no individual country has
> > legitimacy.
> >
> > Human beings, by nature, need an authority figure.  Unfortunately if
> > it's YOU that's the authority figure the power will go to your head
> > and you'll become Stalin or Hitler.  Granted they had an unusual
> > capacity for insanity, but it's the same principle.  Anybody every had
> > a friend that was promoted and soon became drunk with power?
> >
> > Our nation's founders recognized this and created the genius that is
> > our "checks and balances".  That ensures that each (ok, most) US
> > citizen perceives the federal government as an ambiguous authority
> > figure - i.e., they feel they have a stake in its success and there is
> > a fairness to its judgements.  (except for lately)
> >
> > The UN does the same thing internationally - the US can't go into
> > Bosnia by itself because the Bosnians would see us as an invasion
> > force.  If the UN does it, however, they're more likely to see it as a
> > peace mission.
> >
> > This is why Mr. Bush's US led democratic imperialism, "we must spread
> > liberty to the world" and "freedom is a gift from God", will never
> > work.
> >
> >
> 
> 

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