> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:09 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: How long?
>
>
> The problem is the Taliban is moving their defences around the country to
> it take a lot of bombs to get them all.
>
> They are not going to send in ground troops until they can make sure they
> can be 100% supported through the air.
>
> I firmly believe these guys know what they are doing.

Why do you believe that? What has indicated this at all?

When we entered the Gulf War, Collin Powell said, and I paraphrase, "You
must have a clearly defined objective, timelines and goals." I have seen
none of that. The Military Industrial Complex must be really excited about
all this.

Just weeks before 9/11, the right were constantly saying "less government,
less spending, yada, yada." Now we are adding new cabinet posts and I assure
you that a bigger chunk of money will be going toward new security groups,
people, arms, ad infinitum. "Wag the Dog" was never truer.

You have Ashcroft saying, "There are still threats..." Well, duh. Where were
these guys BEFORE this happened? There will always be threats. Cry it enough
and it will be like a car alarm going off, no one even hears it. I am
FUC*ing angry about all this. In a business you would FIRE people who
dropped the ball for a lot less, all the way to the top. This type of
ineptitude is criminal. These foul ups killed 5000+ people in about a 2 hour
period as we all watched on TV. How could this have happened? And then we
all sit and "praise" Bush for his leadership. Give me a break. He was like
Stalin when Germany rolled in, disappeared for a day and got with his "team"
and did some damage control. Where does the buck stop nowadays? Certainly
not in Washington! Harry Truman, where are you now, your country needs you.
This reminds me of "Monster" by Steppenwolf. Time to spin a CD.

As our country enters into a state of semi-martial law (hundreds of people
in jail on no charges) and our congress is divided over what to do (the
terrorism bill, which passed 100-0 in the Senate and was tied in the House)
or how much of our personal liberties to take away from us, how much the
constitution can be subverted, we go about business as usual.

Only, this is not "as usual". We, the American people, are not even remotely
involved in the process going on in Washington. This is exactly the type of
thing Ashcroft and his ilk wanted, broader power to circumvent the
Constitution. Do you think that they would have stopped 9/11 had they had
the current Terrorism Bill in place. No, because of the inept handling of
this whole thing. This Bill is just another distraction for the American
public, just a veil. Why are we not holding these people accountable for
their actions (or lack of) preceding the events of 9/11.

-Gary

>
> At 09:51 AM 11/2/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >How long does it take a Superpower to bomb a third-world country into
> >submission?  We've been bombing Afghanistan since Oct 7 - I
> >would have thought it would be over by now.  Here it is, November 2, and
> >we don't seem any closer to an end.  What concerns me is
> >that there are some who think that Iraq may have been involved
> and may be
> >the target of the next campaign.   Iraq has a much better
> >military than Afghanistan so how long would that one take?  And, a
> >campaign against Iraq would be completely different that the Gulf
> >war because we wouldn't stop short of going into Baghdad this time.
> >
> >On a side note - I guess the people of Vieques are happy that
> the US Navy
> >has moved on to bombing Afghanistan...
> >
> >Howie
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