Where is Angel's "Get yer Popcorn" line? I have a feeling this thread will get interesting again.
Maybe Mike D should start a few new lists: CF-What_Is_Your_Preferred_Coding_Methodolgy CF-ID_vs_Evolution CF-CF_vs_ASP CF-Right_Wing_vs_Left_Wing Ray At 02:30 PM 12/15/2004, you wrote: >Intelligent Design fits none of the ideas that make up a scientific >model theory. You do a bunch of hand waving and poof, there we are - >that is ID in a nutshell. Its unverifiable, unlike current models of >evolution, and is not subject to modification to name two. The >strongest indictment against it is that ID is just creationism in a >slightly different disguise in an attempt to get around the Supreme >Court's restrictions on teaching religion in the science class. > >larry > > >On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:52:24 -0400, Stephenie Hamilton ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > so you think they should present only one theory? the theory of > evolution? why not present both and let the students decide? > > > > steph > > > > > > > Bible nutz only become dangerous when they are in a position, and > > > express a willingness, to impose their illogical views on me or my > > > children via legislation or thinly veiled 'God guidelines' in school > > > curriculum. > > > > > > Namely, when they are elected to the Kansas Board of Education. > > > > > > Anyway, it's happened again. Conservatives have regained a 6-4 > > > majority in the KBoE. Sure enough, "intelligent design" and > > > de-emphasis on evolution in the science standards will be revisited > > > this year in my great state. > > > > > > I've pinned a letter, as even-keeled, level headed, diplomatic as I > > > can muster on this subject, to each of the 10 members of the board, > > > imploring them to make the correct decision. While i've gotten no > > > responses (not surprising), I do feel much better having expressed my > > > views. > > > > > > Make sure you express YOUR views, or your community could be the next > > > one to Inherit the Wind. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:140031 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 20:40:14 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 12:40:14 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:14 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx128.postini.com ([64.18.0.42] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CefwU-0003mF-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:14 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx128.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:54 EST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id DB7C369F424E8D4EAB9E91B6EE71920C Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:44:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Letter to dangerous bible nutz From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:40:09 -0500 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Actually Michael, the idea of God and or its/his/her existence has nothing to do with science. Its an unmeasurable and as such is beyond scientific research. We can measure belief, effects of religiosity etc, but for the existence of a deity, that's philosophy, not science. larry On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:53:32 -0500, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That there is a God. It's a theory that science doesn't want to admit as a > theory at the same time as they push theory as fact. > > > > so you think they should present only one theory? the theory of > > evolution? > > > why not present both and let the students decide? > > > > > > Both? What would the other theory be? > > > > Jim Davis > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:140035 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 20:40:15 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 12:40:15 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:15 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx53.postini.com ([64.18.0.232] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CefwV-0003mH-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:15 -0800 Received: from source ([128.146.214.27]) by exprod5mx53.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:42:56 PST Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F6C78D61; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from defang3.net.ohio-state.edu (defang3.net.ohio-state.edu [128.146.216.83]) by lists.acs.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C878D92 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.16.125]) by defang3.net.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBFKFAJa004900 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:15:10 -0500 Received: from SUL-ts-hlerner.stanford.edu (SUL-TS-lerner.Stanford.EDU [171.64.139.146]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBFKF9op022418 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:15:09 -0800 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:15:09 -0800 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk From: "Heidi G. 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Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: 650-725-9953 fax:650-725-1120 From jeff Wed Dec 15 20:40:11 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 12:40:11 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:11 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.0.41] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CefwR-0003ls-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:11 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:42:50 PST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 27E546AE9DC4A7439036278ABB90C7E6 Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:43:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Letter to dangerous bible nutz From: Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:37:19 -0500 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.64 Where is Angel's "Get yer Popcorn" line? I have a feeling this thread will get interesting again. Maybe Mike D should start a few new lists: CF-What_Is_Your_Preferred_Coding_Methodolgy CF-ID_vs_Evolution CF-CF_vs_ASP CF-Right_Wing_vs_Left_Wing Ray At 02:30 PM 12/15/2004, you wrote: >Intelligent Design fits none of the ideas that make up a scientific >model theory. You do a bunch of hand waving and poof, there we are - >that is ID in a nutshell. Its unverifiable, unlike current models of >evolution, and is not subject to modification to name two. The >strongest indictment against it is that ID is just creationism in a >slightly different disguise in an attempt to get around the Supreme >Court's restrictions on teaching religion in the science class. > >larry > > >On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:52:24 -0400, Stephenie Hamilton ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > so you think they should present only one theory? the theory of > evolution? why not present both and let the students decide? > > > > steph > > > > > > > Bible nutz only become dangerous when they are in a position, and > > > express a willingness, to impose their illogical views on me or my > > > children via legislation or thinly veiled 'God guidelines' in school > > > curriculum. > > > > > > Namely, when they are elected to the Kansas Board of Education. > > > > > > Anyway, it's happened again. Conservatives have regained a 6-4 > > > majority in the KBoE. Sure enough, "intelligent design" and > > > de-emphasis on evolution in the science standards will be revisited > > > this year in my great state. > > > > > > I've pinned a letter, as even-keeled, level headed, diplomatic as I > > > can muster on this subject, to each of the 10 members of the board, > > > imploring them to make the correct decision. While i've gotten no > > > responses (not surprising), I do feel much better having expressed my > > > views. > > > > > > Make sure you express YOUR views, or your community could be the next > > > one to Inherit the Wind. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:140031 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 20:40:19 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 12:40:19 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:19 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.0.37] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CefwZ-0003mX-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:19 -0800 Received: from source ([12.107.209.250]) by exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:59 EST Received: (qmail 26859 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 2004 20:42:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 26794 invoked by uid 48); 15 Dec 2004 20:42:51 -0000 Date: 15 Dec 2004 20:42:51 -0000 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "phython at gcc dot gnu dot org" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug c/18946] [4.0 regression] ICE in pushdecl X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 ------- Additional Comments From phython at gcc dot gnu dot org 2004-12-15 20:42 ------- Something like: if (b && b->decl == error_mark_node) b = NULL; added at around c-decl.c:1937 seems to fix this pr. I have no clue what regression testing will come up with. -- http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18946 From jeff Wed Dec 15 20:40:33 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 12:40:33 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:33 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx50.postini.com ([64.18.0.217] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cefwn-0003mk-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:33 -0800 Received: from source ([194.109.24.25]) by exprod5mx50.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:43:14 PST Received: from bag.python.org (bag.python.org [194.109.207.14]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBFJrFSj007492; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:53:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from bag.python.org (bag [127.0.0.1]) by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7FE1E400B; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:53:15 +0100 (CET) X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from bag.python.org (bag [127.0.0.1]) by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3F41E4007 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:53:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from bag (HELO bag.python.org) (127.0.0.1) by bag.python.org with SMTP; 15 Dec 2004 20:53:12 +0100 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:53:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cef3D-00007f-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:43:07 +0100 Received: from c83-250-11-62.bredband.comhem.se ([83.250.11.62]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:43:06 +0100 Received: from fredrik by c83-250-11-62.bredband.comhem.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:43:06 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:42:34 +0100 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Complaints-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c83-250-11-62.bredband.comhem.se X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Subject: [Image-SIG] Re: Help wanted: sensible way to scale 16-bit grayscaleimage X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Image Processing with Python SIG <image-sig.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/image-sig>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/image-sig> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/image-sig>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.64 Russell E. Owen wrote: > I had hoped to use an LUT to directly map a 32-bit floating point image > (or 16 bit integer) to 8 bit color or grayscale (for now grayscale is > fine, though I hope to support psuedocolor at some point). I could then > recompute the LUT as needed (e.g. if the user asked for a different > scaling function or contrast or...). > > Unfortunately, I have not been able to figure out how to use an LUT. > Despite the following hopeful statement in the Concepts section of the > Handbook: > > The mode of an image defines the type and depth of a pixel > in the image. The current release supports the following > standard modes: > ... > * P (8-bit pixels, mapped to any other mode using a colour palette) > > it appears that palettes can only be attached to L or P images. I hope > I'm missing something obvious in the use of palettes. lookup table (LUT) != palette. the "point" method replaces every pixel in the image by the corresponding value from the given lookup table: for each pixel in image: new pixel value = LUT[old pixel value] "point" with a lookup table is currently only supported for 8-bit images. a palette maps colour indexes to RGB values. if you attach an palette to an 8-bit grayscale image (mode "L"), it becomes a palette image (mode "P"), but it still only contains 8-bit values. if you have 16-bit or 32-bit data, you can use the "getextrema" method to find the lowest and highest value in the image, calculate a suitable linear transform to bring the values into a 256-value range, and use "point" with a lambda expression to convert the values to 0-255. you can then convert the resulting image to "L", and optionally attach a psuedo-color palette to it to get a "P" image. or, in code: lo, hi = im.getextrema() scale = 255.0 / (hi - lo) offset = -lo * scale im = im.point(lambda v: v * scale + offet) im = im.convert("L") in older Python versions, replace the point call with: im = im.point(lambda v, s=scale, o=offset: v * s + o) this snippet simply maps the darkest pixel value to 0, and the lightest to 255. you may want to adjust the lo/hi values before calculating the coefficients. also note that this only works well if the source data is relatively linear; there's no way to use a non-linear transform on I or F data in the current version of PIL. </F> _______________________________________________ Image-SIG maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/image-sig From jeff Wed Dec 15 20:40:36 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 12:40:36 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:36 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.0.33] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cefwq-0003mt-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:36 -0800 Received: from source ([63.251.223.186]) by exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:43:18 EST Received: (qmail 24165 invoked by uid 514); 15 Dec 2004 20:43:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> list-post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 24152 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 20:43:17 -0000 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Check-By: la.mx.develooper.com Received-SPF: neutral (x1.develooper.com: local policy) In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Module Authors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Orton, Yves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'David Coppit'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: David E. Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: DFA::StateMachine Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:43:13 -0800 To: Ken Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 On Dec 15, 2004, at 12:02 PM, Ken Williams wrote: > It short-circuits and there's no backtracking? That's odd. Seems > like that should be stated in the docs somewhere, since that's how > most people expect an FSA to work. I'm expanding the docs now, even as I incorporate people's suggestions. > In any case, in order to be a DFA, it must satisfy the following > conditions: > > 1) Mutually exclusive set of transitions away from any node (which > you basically satisfy by only using the first match) Cool. > 2) Every transition must "consume some input". For pattern-matching, > this means every transition steps forward through the target string, > but since the transitions in your module are arbitrary and > user-defined, it seems like one could easily create a machine where > this (or an analog of it) isn't necessarily true. Yes, that's true. > So it looks like you've got NFAs (or just FSAs, if you prefer), not > DFAs. D'oh! I've already renamed it DFA::Rules in Subversion. Ah, well, at least it's easy to change. Look for the new module to be on CPAN later today. Thanks for the feedback and definitions, Ken. Regards, David From jeff Wed Dec 15 20:40:37 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 12:40:37 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:37 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.0.37] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cefwq-0003mi-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:40:37 -0800 Received: from source ([212.12.50.230]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx123.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:43:12 PST Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper [212.12.50.230]) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.13.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id iBFKUqtn066674; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:30:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list cmucl-help); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:30:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from postfix.rimpoche.chi.il.us (devel103.onshored.com [68.166.153.103]) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.13.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id iBFKUkIV066654 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:30:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.rimpoche.chi.il.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B5C17E5D0 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:30:38 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: Craig Ludington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Craig Brent Ludington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ext:load-foreign and LD_LIBRARY_PATH Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:30:37 -0600 To: cmucl help <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-CRA-SPAM-P: nothing, saved by "Should this search LD_LIBRARY_PATH and the standard directories?" X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-original-sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk X-list: cmucl-help X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Should this search LD_LIBRARY_PATH and the standard directories? (ext:load-foreign "libpq.so") The documentation says: "If files is a simple-string, the file that it designates is loaded using the platform's dlopen mechanism. If it is a list of strings, the platform linker ld is invoked ..." Man dlopen(3) says that LD_LIBRARY_PATH should be searched. I just get a "File does not exist". This is CMUCL 19a on Linux with a 2.4.22 kernel. Regards, Craig Ludington P.S. Here's a transcript: CMU Common Lisp 19a, running on headmistress With core: /usr/bin/lisp.core Dumped on: Wed, 2004-07-28 11:51:48-05:00 on lorien See <http://www.cons.org/cmucl/> for support information. Loaded subsystems: Python 1.1, target Intel x86 CLOS based on Gerd's PCL 2004/04/14 03:32:47 * (ext:load-foreign "libpq.so") ;;; Running /usr/bin/ld... File-error in function LOAD-FOREIGN: File does not exist: libpq.so. [Condition of type KERNEL:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR] Restarts: 0: [ABORT] Return to Top-Level. Debug (type H for help) (LOAD-FOREIGN "libpq.so" :LIBRARIES ("-lc") :BASE-FILE ...) Source: Error finding source: Error in function DEBUG::GET-FILE-TOP-LEVEL-FORM: Source file no longer exists: target:code/foreign.lisp. 0] 0 * (probe-file "/usr/lib/libpq.so") #p"/usr/lib/libpq.so.3.0" * (ext:load-foreign *) ;;; Opening shared library /usr/lib/libpq.so.3.0 ... ;;; Done. NIL
