>From what I see you're arguing through your prejudices. In terms of the symptoms posted, you're right taken in isolation they might appear to be just indicators of normal human behavior. But when following the selection criteria for the symptoms, at the very least they have to exist at a certain frequency for the past 6 months.
Having worked with ADHD kids in the past, what they do is not normal. Imagine a kid in the classroom who it up and out of his seat every 30 seconds, is incredibly impulsive, cannot sit still, whose attention is all over the place etc etc. And this is not something that happens once in a while, but continuously. Its a profoundly disruptive neurological problem. Disruptive not only for the class the kid is in but also for the kid's education. I'm absolutely amazed at how teachers can cope with these kids. After one afternoon of this I was ready to kill the little buggers.l The checklist is a very preliminary screen - doing a full diagnosis requires a much more active workup - a full neurological screening with something like the Halsted-Raitan (takes about 12 hours spread over 2 days), an educational abilities assessment and at the very least both the Stanford-Binet and the WAIS. The nice thing about the last 2 (they are IQ tests) is that there are certain patterns in the results that are very strong indicators of ADHD and where the kid deficits may be. Then you get into more detailed testing and assessment for specifics. It can be an involved and exacting process. larry On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:27:05 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Certainly no offence, but I don't dare, its my opinion and I cannot see how > anyone can say or prove it's something you suffer from I really don't. No > one saying your lazy ;-) my point is this: all 'symptoms' posted on that > list (or nearly all) are just indications of normal human behvaiour. If you > could concentrate on something 100% 24/7, 365 then you would be a > robot....... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 18 January 2005 15:21 > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Adult ADD > > I take it you're a professional in the area who has carefully studied > the literature base? Are you familiar with Frostig's research in the > 70's through the most recent fMRI research (which btw shows fairly > strong support to the MBD hypothesis)? Try looking at some of this > research I pulled from scholar.google.com. about 49,000 separate > mentions of the term ADHD. > http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=adhd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search > > Now how many of these results can be explained by laziness. > > Now my rant. > <rant> > I have ADHD - I've lived with it all my life. I work my ass off trying > to compensate for specific cognitive deficits due to it. And you dare > call me lazy. You have no bloody idea what it is like. Its the narrow > minded stupid reactions such as yours that caused me a lot of pain in > the past as a kid. "He's lazy, he'd do quite well if he'd try harder" > etc. That is pure and utter bullshit. I would suggest educating > yourself instead of spouting off in ignorance. You might end up with a > better idea of what its like. > </rant> > > larry > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:57:39 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sorry but it's absurd, it is neither a 'disease' nor a 'condition' - > > it's just plain laziness and human behaviour. Everyone does one or more > of > > the listed symptoms EVERYDAY is that to say we are struck with ADD? Jeez, > > never heard anything to ridiculous in my days on the planet (besides > George > > Bush talking.) > > > > The checklist is a tick list of every child's experience at school! To > say > > that a child has ADD or whatver other related behavior based on these fact > > is idiotic. So, the times when I stared out of the Window half way > through > > my Chemistry, Physics or Maths exams/lessons an indication of ADD? No, it > > didn't stop me from doing well in these exams! > > > > Indeed it only seems to be affect Americans ;-) Maybe that tells you > > something about your medical system - I guess since you have to pay for > your > > treatment it makes easy prey for these sham doctors. > > > > Maybe I will train up and convince everyone they have AGS : Acute > > Gullability Syndrome - I could make a fortune...... ;-) > > > > Ka Ching Ching > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 18 January 2005 14:49 > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Adult ADD > > > > It used to be characterized as minimal brain dyfunction. > > > > Also remember psychological and neurological conditions also use the > > diagnosis model but for the most part these are not diseases - rather > > changes in brain function. > > > > As for the diagnosis, Dana provided a good checklist from the DSM. > > > > larry > > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:51:36 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I cant help it : ADD (and I am assuming that you mean Attention Deficit > > > Order) is not a disease so I how can you be 'diagnosed' with it? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 13:52 > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Adult ADD > > > > > > Re: ADD > > > > > > This is what I was told about ADD by a doctor when I asked about being > > > tested. I have no medical knowledge and don't know if it's true or not. > > > > > > "If you graduated from college, at worst your ADD is so mild that no > > > responsible doctor should prescribe medication to treat it." > > > > > > Reading through the emails, I'm now thinking that this was one doctors > > > opinion and it seems many of list members have had some type of > treatment. > > > > > > Any opinions? > > > > > > -- > > > 2004 - The year $184M couldn't buy a pennant. > > > > > > Ron Artest: Extremely flawed, very accidental, semi-martyr > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how to get a fax number that sends and receives faxes using your current email address http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=64 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:143061 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
