I found this one very interesting study that used a battery of very specific neuropsych tests to assess differences between kids with ADHD and those kids who do not have it. Basically they found that the adhd sample had significantly more problems with impulsivity and intensionality. In other words there are some fairly profound and very deep neurological differences between the sample of ADHD and non-ADHD normal children involving the prefrontal and frontal cortex control systems.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8886944&dopt=Citation J Abnorm Child Psychol. 1996 Aug;24(4):481-98. Neuropsychological functioning, motor speed, and language processing in boys with and without ADHD. Carte ET, Nigg JT, Hinshaw SP. Department of Pediatrics, Permanente Medical Group, San Rafael, California 94903. We administered a neuropsychological battery to boys aged 6 to 12 years old diagnosed with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD; n = 51) and to comparison boys of the same age range (n = 31). Boys with ADHD had greater difficulty than comparison youngsters on nonautomated language and motor tasks administered with a fast instructional set and on one of two traditional frontal executive measures (Porteus mazes). When tasks requiring automatic processing were paired with similar tasks requiring greater use of selective attention processes, the latter, controlled processing tasks differentiated groups better than did automated tasks. This differential effect of otherwise similar tasks is interpreted in terms of an output deficit mediated by response organization as detailed in the information processing literature. The ADHD group also exhibited slow gross motor output, measured independently of verbal output. The findings are evaluated in terms of both Luria's (1973) tripartite model of neurocognitive organization and frontal striatal models, with an emphasis on output processes. The observed language deficits could represent frontal lobe processes intricately related to self-monitoring and planning. The utility of controlled processing, self-paced tasks with fast instructional sets in assessing language and motor skills in ADHD is highlighted. On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:38:31 -0500, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > point is (and I haven't the time to read through the links larry > posted) there is a definite difference (chemical (?)) between a > 'normal' brain and one that has been diagnosed as suffering from > ADD/ADHD. > > so...your 'opinion' conflicts with medical data that empirically has > determined a physical condition. yes, the 'symptoms' can make it easy > to mis-diagnose...but that doesn't mean that the condition does not > exist. medical studies have proven otherwise (and not just with a > checklist of 'symptoms'). > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:27:05 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Certainly no offence, but I don't dare, its my opinion and I cannot see how > > anyone can say or prove it's something you suffer from I really don't. No > > one saying your lazy ;-) my point is this: all 'symptoms' posted on that > > list (or nearly all) are just indications of normal human behvaiour. If you > > could concentrate on something 100% 24/7, 365 then you would be a > > robot....... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 18 January 2005 15:21 > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Adult ADD > > > > I take it you're a professional in the area who has carefully studied > > the literature base? Are you familiar with Frostig's research in the > > 70's through the most recent fMRI research (which btw shows fairly > > strong support to the MBD hypothesis)? Try looking at some of this > > research I pulled from scholar.google.com. about 49,000 separate > > mentions of the term ADHD. > > http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=adhd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search > > > > Now how many of these results can be explained by laziness. > > > > Now my rant. > > <rant> > > I have ADHD - I've lived with it all my life. I work my ass off trying > > to compensate for specific cognitive deficits due to it. And you dare > > call me lazy. You have no bloody idea what it is like. Its the narrow > > minded stupid reactions such as yours that caused me a lot of pain in > > the past as a kid. "He's lazy, he'd do quite well if he'd try harder" > > etc. That is pure and utter bullshit. I would suggest educating > > yourself instead of spouting off in ignorance. You might end up with a > > better idea of what its like. > > </rant> > > > > larry > > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:57:39 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm sorry but it's absurd, it is neither a 'disease' nor a 'condition' - > > > it's just plain laziness and human behaviour. Everyone does one or more > > of > > > the listed symptoms EVERYDAY is that to say we are struck with ADD? Jeez, > > > never heard anything to ridiculous in my days on the planet (besides > > George > > > Bush talking.) > > > > > > The checklist is a tick list of every child's experience at school! To > > say > > > that a child has ADD or whatver other related behavior based on these fact > > > is idiotic. So, the times when I stared out of the Window half way > > through > > > my Chemistry, Physics or Maths exams/lessons an indication of ADD? No, it > > > didn't stop me from doing well in these exams! > > > > > > Indeed it only seems to be affect Americans ;-) Maybe that tells you > > > something about your medical system - I guess since you have to pay for > > your > > > treatment it makes easy prey for these sham doctors. > > > > > > Maybe I will train up and convince everyone they have AGS : Acute > > > Gullability Syndrome - I could make a fortune...... ;-) > > > > > > Ka Ching Ching > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 14:49 > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Adult ADD > > > > > > It used to be characterized as minimal brain dyfunction. > > > > > > Also remember psychological and neurological conditions also use the > > > diagnosis model but for the most part these are not diseases - rather > > > changes in brain function. > > > > > > As for the diagnosis, Dana provided a good checklist from the DSM. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:51:36 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I cant help it : ADD (and I am assuming that you mean Attention Deficit > > > > Order) is not a disease so I how can you be 'diagnosed' with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 18 January 2005 13:52 > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Adult ADD > > > > > > > > Re: ADD > > > > > > > > This is what I was told about ADD by a doctor when I asked about being > > > > tested. I have no medical knowledge and don't know if it's true or not. > > > > > > > > "If you graduated from college, at worst your ADD is so mild that no > > > > responsible doctor should prescribe medication to treat it." > > > > > > > > Reading through the emails, I'm now thinking that this was one doctors > > > > opinion and it seems many of list members have had some type of > > treatment. > > > > > > > > Any opinions? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > 2004 - The year $184M couldn't buy a pennant. > > > > > > > > Ron Artest: Extremely flawed, very accidental, semi-martyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:143077 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
