I agree, Hatton. But who decides what the line is here for distasteful and 
compromising of the characters?

Technically, all fan fiction is a violation of copyright. But Lucasfilm has 
been looking the other way for years because the fan base is what built up SW.

Paramount has a tradition of cracking down on ST fanfic online and offline 
and prosecuting. Lucasfilm doesn't. Will this, in the long run, hurt or 
harm Lucasfilm's image with the fans?

Judith

> > > > Of course, one could make the point that the Constitution
> > > does _not_ say
> > > > your right to not be pissed is protected. Although many people would
> > > > disagree, see various "hate speech" type laws around the country.
> > > > Personally, I think the more an idiot is allowed to spew
> > > hate speech,
> > > > the more people will realize... well, that they are an idiot. ;)
> > >
> > > Agreed, but you miss my point.  My example was more along the
> > > lines of a
> > > slander or libel, not hate speech or anything along those
> > > lines.  You can be
> > > pissed all you want about an idiot spewing, but when someone
> > > takes your name
> > > and uses it in a slanderous way, then the law can be involved.
> > >
> >
> > Personally, I think libel/slander should be legal as well.... in theory.
> > I should be able to say that you have three arms, even if that is a
> > complete lie. I'm kind of an absolutist when it comes to free speech.
> > (Of course, nothing works in absolutes, and it would be different if
> > Newsweek said you had 3 arms.)
>
>I would hope that any competent person would see a difference between the
>absurd (your 3 arms suggestion) and the graphic (such as the stories that
>were pulled.)  The first difference is that while you can draw me with 3
>arms 4 legs and a pair of horns, these stories took a step down the Dark
>Side (sorry, couldn't resist).  My example of slander or libel would make
>the implication that people were involved in rather interesting sexual
>escapades.  That is what this "slash fiction" does.  Some may not find lies
>to that scale disturbing, others would be threatening lawsuits if they found
>their name and likeness put into such a situation.
>
>My personal opinion in the matter is that once your freedoms begin
>restricting mine or attacking my personal beliefs directly with attacks
>aimed at me personally, we have problems.
>
>We're also going a little off the topic by using that example.  I think a
>better case might be made if your company (blah.com just to throw an example
>out) had a group of characters that were used in commercials.  What would
>the reaction be if someone took those characters and then created an
>explicit (and to some minds immoral or unethical) carnal story line that
>bordered on the bizarre.  If this was done without permission (since the
>characters are copyright) then using the character's name and possibly image
>in the story would be considered copyright infringement.
>
>Had the names been altered, the setting changed from what the characters are
>normally found in... then that might be enough of a change to be considered
>artistic license.  No changes are made though.
>
>Hatton
>
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