Well, yes, but ... If you count the votes they way Gore wanted the votes counted, Bush wins.
If you counted the votes the way they should have been counted (all of the votes, both under and over and this chad and that chad, etc.), then Gore wins. But the bottom line is, the system worked. We had a contested election. One branch of the government made a decision about how the outcome should be decided and that led to an eventual declaration of a winner. There was no civil war, no coups, no civil unrest (at least of the kind that leads to death and destruction). Yes, one could make the case that there were flaws in the system, that there were some possible this or possible that in the political hanky-panky realm, but in the end, we had a smooth transition of power, which is the most important thing we could ask for. H. -----Original Message----- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:25 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush Wins! Only if you counted the undervotes. If you recounted all votes then Gore wins. Hmmm....if you count the popular vote then Gore wins... Howie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Bush Wins! > This ought to open a very big can of worms: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/recount/12VOTE.html > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > www.endoradigital.com > 630/942-5211 x-134 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C. Hatton Humphrey > To: CF-Community > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:17 AM > Subject: RE: Lucasfilm shuts down fanfic site > > > > > > Of course, one could make the point that the Constitution > > > does _not_ say > > > > your right to not be pissed is protected. Although many people > would > > > > disagree, see various "hate speech" type laws around the > country. > > > > Personally, I think the more an idiot is allowed to spew > > > hate speech, > > > > the more people will realize... well, that they are an idiot. ;) > > > > > > Agreed, but you miss my point. My example was more along the > > > lines of a > > > slander or libel, not hate speech or anything along those > > > lines. You can be > > > pissed all you want about an idiot spewing, but when someone > > > takes your name > > > and uses it in a slanderous way, then the law can be involved. > > > > > > > Personally, I think libel/slander should be legal as well.... in > theory. > > I should be able to say that you have three arms, even if that is a > > complete lie. I'm kind of an absolutist when it comes to free > speech. > > (Of course, nothing works in absolutes, and it would be different if > > Newsweek said you had 3 arms.) > > I would hope that any competent person would see a difference between > the > absurd (your 3 arms suggestion) and the graphic (such as the stories > that > were pulled.) The first difference is that while you can draw me with > 3 > arms 4 legs and a pair of horns, these stories took a step down the > Dark > Side (sorry, couldn't resist). My example of slander or libel would > make > the implication that people were involved in rather interesting sexual > escapades. That is what this "slash fiction" does. Some may not find > lies > to that scale disturbing, others would be threatening lawsuits if they > found > their name and likeness put into such a situation. > > My personal opinion in the matter is that once your freedoms begin > restricting mine or attacking my personal beliefs directly with > attacks > aimed at me personally, we have problems. > > We're also going a little off the topic by using that example. I > think a > better case might be made if your company (blah.com just to throw an > example > out) had a group of characters that were used in commercials. What > would > the reaction be if someone took those characters and then created an > explicit (and to some minds immoral or unethical) carnal story line > that > bordered on the bizarre. If this was done without permission (since > the > characters are copyright) then using the character's name and possibly > image > in the story would be considered copyright infringement. > > Had the names been altered, the setting changed from what the > characters are > normally found in... then that might be enough of a change to be > considered > artistic license. No changes are made though. > > Hatton > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
