speaking of copyright infringement, how bout you copy and paste that 
article here for the unsubscribed!!!!

:)

patrick


At 11:37 AM 12/11/2001 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>This ought to open a very big can of worms:
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/recount/12VOTE.html
>
>Michael Corrigan
>Programmer
>Endora Digital Solutions
>www.endoradigital.com
>630/942-5211 x-134
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: C. Hatton Humphrey
>   To: CF-Community
>   Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:17 AM
>   Subject: RE: Lucasfilm shuts down fanfic site
>
>
>   > > > Of course, one could make the point that the Constitution
>   > > does _not_ say
>   > > > your right to not be pissed is protected. Although many people
>would
>   > > > disagree, see various "hate speech" type laws around the
>country.
>   > > > Personally, I think the more an idiot is allowed to spew
>   > > hate speech,
>   > > > the more people will realize... well, that they are an idiot. ;)
>   > >
>   > > Agreed, but you miss my point.  My example was more along the
>   > > lines of a
>   > > slander or libel, not hate speech or anything along those
>   > > lines.  You can be
>   > > pissed all you want about an idiot spewing, but when someone
>   > > takes your name
>   > > and uses it in a slanderous way, then the law can be involved.
>   > >
>   >
>   > Personally, I think libel/slander should be legal as well.... in
>theory.
>   > I should be able to say that you have three arms, even if that is a
>   > complete lie. I'm kind of an absolutist when it comes to free
>speech.
>   > (Of course, nothing works in absolutes, and it would be different if
>   > Newsweek said you had 3 arms.)
>
>   I would hope that any competent person would see a difference between
>the
>   absurd (your 3 arms suggestion) and the graphic (such as the stories
>that
>   were pulled.)  The first difference is that while you can draw me with
>3
>   arms 4 legs and a pair of horns, these stories took a step down the
>Dark
>   Side (sorry, couldn't resist).  My example of slander or libel would
>make
>   the implication that people were involved in rather interesting sexual
>   escapades.  That is what this "slash fiction" does.  Some may not find
>lies
>   to that scale disturbing, others would be threatening lawsuits if they
>found
>   their name and likeness put into such a situation.
>
>   My personal opinion in the matter is that once your freedoms begin
>   restricting mine or attacking my personal beliefs directly with
>attacks
>   aimed at me personally, we have problems.
>
>   We're also going a little off the topic by using that example.  I
>think a
>   better case might be made if your company (blah.com just to throw an
>example
>   out) had a group of characters that were used in commercials.  What
>would
>   the reaction be if someone took those characters and then created an
>   explicit (and to some minds immoral or unethical) carnal story line
>that
>   bordered on the bizarre.  If this was done without permission (since
>the
>   characters are copyright) then using the character's name and possibly
>image
>   in the story would be considered copyright infringement.
>
>   Had the names been altered, the setting changed from what the
>characters are
>   normally found in... then that might be enough of a change to be
>considered
>   artistic license.  No changes are made though.
>
>   Hatton
>
>
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