When I get home. I'm dealing with a million dollars in lost orders or so. Fun. :( It's not the lilly white names I'm worried about, it's the ones that don't sound lilly white. Will Moshe, Shemaryahu or Hinda Tova be treated as if they were white, black or 'other' (i.e. black category)? Is Judith and Michael 'white' enough for a job where my children's names will not be? I'll read and see if this was addressed.
> Michael, > > You can read the paper here: > > http://econ-www.mit.edu/faculty/?prof_id=mullain&type=paper > > The names were, pardon the expression, fairly lilly white. > > The authors did address many of the same concerns. > > larry > > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:55:06 -0500, Michael Dinowitz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And what of other 'ethnic' names, regardless of color? What of Jewish > > sounding, German sounding, Asian sounding, etc. Correlation does not > imply > > causation. Was it the 'non-whiteness' of the name as in the 'blackness > of it > > or was it the 'non-whiteness' of the name across the board? Will a > > Shemaryahu (my youngest's name) be judged as 'black' because it's > obviously > > not white? Was this aspect even looked at? > > Just playing devil's advocate here. I did experimental psych, statistics > and > > social psych. The devil is in the details as to what the results > actually > > mean and if something was missed. > > > > > The study itself just looked at "Black" vs "White" names for a total > > > of 36 names all told. (black vs white, male vs female - as an aside > > > the "female" resumes got significantly fewer callbacks as well). > > > > > > As for the discriminating, the study only sent the resumes in response > > > to job ads placed by companies in the Boston or Chicago areas, so > > > those doing the discrimination were the hiring managers in real > > > companies > > > > > > What it means is that all things equal, these employers were more > > > likely to call back someone with a "white" name over a "black" name, > > > even when the resumes were for all intents an purposes the same. > > > > > > Ergo it would appear that your hypothesis that AA is no longer needed > > > is not tenable. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:06:40 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > It's unclear if we're supposed to kill thread, but, personally I > like > > > > it! Anyway, I know that says something, but I'm not sure it proves > > > > anything. I'd toss out 3 questions: > > > > > > > > 1.) Who's doing the discriminating? Blacks or whites or other? Man > or > > > woman? > > > > > > > > 2.) Does that really mean we need special program to force employers > > > > to accept a quota of minorities, or does it mean we need a program > to > > > > do this sort of study and ask the screeners why they didn't call > back > > > > the "black" names? Possibly with consequences attached to specific > > > > findings? That is, is AA the right "solution" to the right problem? > > > > > > > > 3.) Is this just for black names, but not for other minorities, > i.e., > > > > women, hispanics, Asians, etc.? Isn't a problem we have right now > > > > that there are too many Americans not taking low paying jobs so we > > > > have to import Mexicans that are more than willing to work (and do)? > > > > That is, why do blacks have problems getting jobs, but Mexicans seem > > > > to be taking too many? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:145637 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
