There have been reports of Pakistani volunteers who went to Afghanistan
to support the Taliban, coming back from there very disillusioned with
the Taliban.
Might be wishful thinking on a Westerner's part but they may find that
they have a lot less support in Pakistan than previously.  Can't
remember where I read this but I usually read Economist, CNN, Salon
MSNBC, so it was "mainstream".

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:50
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Taliban abandons city of Jalalabad


If i were bin laden i would have left afghanistan weeks ago, to
concentrate on building up support in Pakistan, rubbing my hands and
thinking of those lovely nuclear warheads just waiting for me. He's
spoken of having a nuclear capability. I doubt he has at the moment, but
that's not to say he won't very soon.

will



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 November 2001 16:51
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Taliban abandons city of Jalalabad


Yesterday I heard that Pakistan's border was easily crossed and that
some 8,000 Taliban fighters had escaped into Pakistan unchallenged ...
and the speculation was, how does Pakistan not know that Bin Laden was
among those 8,000 men.

Then this morning I heard that Pakistan had moved some 30,000 troops to
the border to keep Taliban (and Bin Laden) out.

Of course, I don't know how comfortable I feel with Pakistan having that
large of a troop mass on it's border with Afghanistan at this stage.

H.


-----Original Message-----
From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Taliban abandons city of Jalalabad


exactly, mind you, you have to ask whether Bin LAden is still in
Afghanistan. I wouldn't be, if I were him I'd be in Pakistan rabble
rousing.

will

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 November 2001 15:49
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Taliban abandons city of Jalalabad


Afghans are allowed to switch sides.  But if your from Pakastan or Saudi
Arabia and you fought for the Taliban, or supported the Taliban, and you
get caught now, you're probably dead.

Remember, the Taliban is primarily non-Afghan.

H.


-----Original Message-----
From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:04 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Taliban abandons city of Jalalabad


many of the fighters have switched sides countless times and will do so
again. unfortunately i think its more to do with revenge and blood lust
than anything else.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 November 2001 03:26
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Taliban abandons city of Jalalabad


Part of the reason they kill them instead of drive them out; They go and
hide in the mountains and will the perform hit and run Guerilla and
suicide missions. This is what the Northern Alliance did to the
Russians. Finally they left because the loss was becoming greater than
the gains.

That and you would probably do the same knowing that these people killed
your family because you would not support them. The list goes on.

While I am not saying it is right. At the same time if I were in the
position I would probably do the same.

At 02:46 PM 11/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Yeah. They need to be very careful as they set up their new government.

>And while I understand the desire for revenge, I wish that they didn't 
>feel the need to kill the taliban soldiers and mutilate their bodies. 
>Why not drive them out or jail them, depending upon their previous 
>actions, and let the culprits deal with their own guilty consciences?
>
>Erin






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