One ironic thing about this discussion is that Skinner was very much against using punishment as a method of behavior change. As far as he was concerned all it did was reinforce the behavior of the punishing agent to use punishment more often. At best it may provide (according to Skinner, not me) a brief timeout from reinforcement.
larry On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:40:59 -0600, Deanna Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yah, it's Skinner-esque, and like I said, I won't gaurantee that I'll > never swat him. But, I do hope that if I do it's not out of anger or > frustration - which I think is how most people use physical > punishment. I mean, I'd never hit my husband just because I'm mad at > him. Why would I hit my child? > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:02:56 -0500, Jim Davis > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:37 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ... > > > > > > Well, I still don't really believe in hitting. I watched an > > > interaction between a dad and daughter in the aiport the other day. > > > Long story short, he swatted her on the butt, and her response to was > > > to hit him back. > > > > True - but it can also be effective if done right. What I think most > > parents miss is the "Set up". You just can't hit and expect it to be > > effective. Just plain hitting provokes the playground response to hit back. > > > > Hitting/spanking/whatever should be a planned punishment like any other - > > even if that plan is short. Both of my kids have been swatted. But before > > I do I tell them about it, then I count to three. After "three" they got > > the swat. > > > > In very short order only the counting was needed well over 99% of the time. > > (With that very occasional carry-through to reinforce things.) > > > > My father's case was similar - my grandfather used the belt. Just the > > action of unbuckling would deal with most problems. > > > > It's all very Skinnerian but it seems to work for us. > > > > Jim Davis > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:151093 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
