> Jochem wrote:
> But the way I see it Gruss Gott's conclusion that State and Municipal pension 
> funds are soon 

It's not coming out of thin air, it's been happening for decades.  The
exact same thing has been happening there as with Social Security it's
just that, as a matter of law, states and city's don't need to
disclose their liabilities so they don't.

Each mayor or governor passes the red ink on to the next one and none
of them want to do anything to fix it because it would mean higher
taxes, which would mean no re-election, so they just pass on the
problem.

And there is a proposal to change the accounting standards so that
citizens can start seeing the problem.  George Will's Op-Ed mentions
this and there's a great piece about it here:

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/articles/0,15114,1050835,00.html

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