You've avoided the issue.

"EVERYBODY is anti-abortion since nobody is pro-abortion."
That's a ridiculous statement in the context of our argument and lends no
weight to whatever your point is.

"It's my firm belief that nobody understands much about the Bible."  
So how would you know in fact if anybody does or does not?  It's a written
book, in fact there's one in about every hotel room in the US, I'm sure
somebody has studied this thing.

"BTW - isn't it 'The Revelation of John' rather than 'The Book of
Revelations'" - Ok, this again doesn't do anything for your argument.  If it
does, it supports the fact that I'm not a Bible Scholar, which I never
claimed to be. Furthermore, it's a common name for the book, whatever the
full name is, which makes me correct, supported by this Christian scholar on
PBS: 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/explanation/brevela
tion.html


"3.) Those who choose to spend their time fighting the effect rather
than the cause of the problem." 
It seems that your cause - unwanted pregnancy - is not the same as their
cause - unwanted abortion.  It just so happens that your cause in this case
conflicts with their cause in the single instance of abortion.  It doesn't
conflict with birth-control, does it?  It seems like the perfect compromise.


"Now let's take their legal issue.  If abortion were illegal what would
the penalty be?  Putting the mother in jail?   For how long?  30
years?"  

I have no idea, since I'm not a champion for either cause.  I don't really
care.  
However, if it were illegal, I imagine the doctor would be going to jail as
well. If the mother were in jail, I imagine she couldn't get pregnant again,
could she?

"Those #3 people are either mis-guided, ignorant, cowardly or all 3
since they avoid solving the true cause of the problem, unwanted
pregnancy."

Again, you've confused your crusade with theirs, if I understand that yours
is "unwanted pregancy". Also, wouldn't lack of abortion be a deterrant?

Perhaps they are "mis-guided", but where do ignorant and/or cowardly come
into play?



Matthew Small


-----Original Message-----
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:43 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Science, for dummies

> Matthew wrote:
> It's clear you don't understand much about the Bible.
> For believers, the Bible is the inspired Word of the Lord passed down

Well, that's certainly true.  It's my firm belief that nobody
understands much about the Bible.  I find it ironic that anyone WOULD
claim to understand much about the Bible or to go further and say they
know it's the word of God.  In fact doing so makes them sinners in the
eyes of the Bible in multiple ways.

((BTW - isn't it 'The Revelation of John' rather than 'The Book of
Revelations')

> I'm unsure why you label anti-abortion people as cowards.  Whether or not
> you believe their cause, they have taken a stand. 

EVERYBODY is anti-abortion since nobody is pro-abortion.  There are 3
basic camps of anti-abortionists:

1.) Those that do nothing for or against unwanted pregnancy.

2.) Those that seek to stop the sole cause of abortion, unwanted
pregnancy, through birth control, education, and education.  For
Planned Parenthood.

3.) Those who choose to spend their time fighting the effect rather
than the cause of the problem.

Those #3 people are either mis-guided, ignorant, cowardly or all 3
since they avoid solving the true cause of the problem, unwanted
pregnancy.

Now let's take their legal issue.  If abortion were illegal what would
the penalty be?  Putting the mother in jail?   For how long?  30
years?

Clearly putting a teen mother in jail for even 10 years is to totally
avoid the real cause of the problem and is therefore foolish,
cowardly, or both.



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