And above and beyond all this you are still looking at it as career planning. Look. You cannot do career planning for other people, even if you are right, which I do not believe. You call yourself a conservative? There will always be minimum wage jobs. It would be nice if people moved forward from them, sure. But in the mean time, there is every reason, economic and moral, to make sure that someone who is working two jobs can afford housing and food. Otherwise those workers are drawing food stamps, and that *is* a subsidy, to the employer, enabling their employer to act in a manner not in the public interest. So according to you it's ok to subsidize Hyatt and Hilton and McDonald's. But making sure their employees have enough money to live is communism. I really don't have time to argue this point, it's just not well thought thorough.
Dana On 10/4/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dana wrote: > > it is impossible to continue this conversation because you refuse to > examine > > the following assumptions: > > - minimum wage is a subsidy > > - that it is a trap akin to welfare > > - that people work for the minimum wage due to ignorance. > > > > That's not true, I'm perfectly willing to consider those facts I just > haven't seen any evidence that it's true. > > 1.) Subsidy: I've already shown you, directly from the dictionary, > that a wage paid due to force of government is indeed a subsidy. You > can take that up with the dictionary people. > > 2.) Trap. This is basic human nature. Let's say I'm barely making > ends meet on my salary and need to change, that is increase my skills, > find a higher paying job, etc. Now Dana comes along and says, "don't > worry, I'll give you a raise for doing nothing!" Of course I'm not > going to leave. Are you saying human nature is different than that? > That humans don't have a profit motive? > > 3.) Ignorance. How is it anything else? Why would somebody work for > MW if they could get a job that paid MW+1? (Barring volunteers and > those not working for monetary compensation.) Again, are you saying > people don't have a profit motive? > > As you can see, points #2 and #3 are the same. In a nutshell, people > usually don't change unless they have to, but they'll almost always > change if the pay is right. > > Who likes writing their CV, interviewing, and job hunting? Nobody. > So why do you do it? Either because you need more money or more job > satisfaction. If somebody came along and offered you more money for > doing nothing, who wouldn't take it? I've never met the person that's > turned down a pay rise, but I'm met plenty that have left because they > didn't get one. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:175817 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
