I haven't time to research it, but what if there is an effect it may
be a hawthorn effect (extra attention etc). I think what may work
better is a more tailored approach to the kid's education. Currently
such approaches work very well with handicapped kids, why not apply
the same approaches to kids at risk of dropping out.

Also not all kids want or should be in a university entrance track.
That may also be another  thing to look at - if the kid isn't
succeeding in a regular school, perhaps a curriculum more oriented
towards work related skills would be better for him or her.

larry

On 10/19/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it may not be a global solution but imho these schools seem to be a better
> solution for kids who would otherwise drop out. it seems to me that
> diversification is the way to go.
>
> On 10/19/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > What it argues is that Charter schools since they were not better are
> > no cure. A lot of other studies showed that when you factor out such
> > things as SES and parental involvement, private schools are no better
> > than public schools.
> >
> > What has not been done is a very hard look at what actually works and
> > then start applying it. All together too often its ideological
> > concerns driving school reform.
> >
> > larry
> >
> > On 10/19/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I think your study showed that statistics were no better at charter
> > schools
> > > than at public schools, right?I think what you are not seeing is that
> > this
> > > *is* a good thing, since the kids at those schools are the ones the
> > system
> > > was not working for, by and large, the at-risk, the special education
> > kids
> > > and the gifted.
> > >
> > > Dana
> > >
> > > On 10/19/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > have to disagree with you about point #3, neither voucher programs or
> > > > charter schools seem to increase test scores in the majority of cases,
> > > > as was discussed a couple of weeks ago.
> > > >
> > > > That sort of stuff is a good illustration of what happens when
> > > > ideology tramples good practices.
> > > >
> > > > larry
> > > >
> > > > On 10/19/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Sam wrote:
> > > > > > That's what it addresses. If a child can't read they fall through
> > the
> > > > > > cracks and either graduate illiterate or drop out.
> > > > >
> > > > > The problems with this liberal POS is:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.) Trample on State's rights
> > > > > 2.) What G said
> > > > > 3.) There are 1000s of better solutions such as charter, magnet,
> > > > vouchers, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good things happen when the Fed stays out of State business
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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