Reason in this case is just an extension of culture and morals.

We have determined 16-18 for various reasons in various places in the
country.

In some states people under 18 can be married so long as the parents of
child say it is ok. The state has laws that deal with free will when
your free will can affect other members of society, or society in
general.

There is no difference between the state and the people. We have
determined to create these laws to enforce our moral codes.

Murder, Rape, Robbery, these are things that were immoral long before
they were illegal.

Benjamin Franklin? When did he call anything self-evident?



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:43 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: More Woodward Questions
> 
> This is Sam's confusion: he doesn't understand that this "moral" is
> actually just the enforcement of The Golden Rule.
> 
> That is, the perpetrator is preventing that 12 year old from pursuing
> his/her freedom.  We arrive at this conclusion because we've decided
> by reason, rather than culture or religion, that a 12 year doesn't
> have the facilities to make competent sexual decisions.
> 
> With gay marriage, for example, both parties are willingly
> participating.  Banning Gay Marriage, therefore, is using the State to
> prevent free will; a violation of The Golden Rule.
> 
> Benjamin Franklin called these truths "self-evident".  Apparently not
for
> Sam.



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