learn your geography and contemporary events. Syria never occupied Jordan. It controlled significant parts of Lebanon for the last 30 years.
On 12/5/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/4/05, Paul Vernon wrote: > > > > You're entitled to your opinion but I don't know what > > > qualifications you have or what info you're basing this on so > > > I'll assume this is just one mans hunch. > > > > Do I need qualifications to hold beliefs? > > No I was just putting into perspective. You didn't have solid info, > reports or studies, just one mans hunch. > > > No, I didn't misunderstand. As for Empire building, our nation did build the > > largest empire of all time. It was on the whole a peaceful empire. It > > remains today as the commonwealth. It has stood the test of time and those > > nations that are part of it are the better for it, if not, they would leave. > > Peaceful? Are we talking about the British Empire? Look in you're own > backyard and tell me it was peaceful. I'm sorry but the Brits were > brutal. > > > No, I am not saying the losers should dictate the terms. I am not saying > > that the American administration is like the Nazis. What I did say was that > > we are still recovering from the terms by which we ended up with. The terms > > at the end of the first world war directly contributed to the oppression of > > the German nation and helped turn them into the downtrodden people of > > Europe. It took only one canny individual to turn those people into a nation > > ready to go to war again by falsely building their self respect in a twisted > > vision of national pride. > > And after WWII Germany and Japan were rebuilt and became the #1 and #2 > economies of the world. > > > After WW 2, the terms dictated in Europe again directly led us into the Cold > > War. I don't think that living on a continent that is under the threat of > > nuclear destruction is a successful set of terms to live by, do you? > > The Soviet Union was our ally in WWII. The cold war was a separate > issue. It was a nuclear arms race between the USSR and the US. > > > Firstly, I do not believe for one second that the entire Muslim community in > > the US is fully assimilated into US life and I'd ask that you provide proof > > to the contrary. > > Not fully assimilated but accepted and employed for the most part. > > > Secondly, France in many areas is a special case. Being a secular state > > splitting religion from the government is in general a good idea. The > > problem with France is that they do this in spirit but not in action and > > because they do not understand their minorities as well as they could, some > > of the things they attempt are incendiary. They do however try and this is a > > good thing. > > Aren't like 40% of the Muslims unemployed and living in ghettos? > > > Thirdly, the London bombers were from Leeds. Several hundred miles away from > > London. It is true that they lived in an area of Leeds where the houses are > > terraced, the communities fragmented and the general quality of life is low. > > However, people of all creeds live and work there. These people were > > terrorists not because they despised their neighbour for their faith, they > > were terrorists because they were vulnerable and had been brain washed into > > a particular mode of thought. All nations have a vulnerable underbelly of > > "second class citizens", even the US. > > OK I should have said England. I thought they had the same issues with > acceptance and employment as France. If not then I misspoke, sorry. > > > I simply think you are wrong. > > That's fair and I agree I could be, but you could be wrong also. > > > > You base that on a bizarre hunch. It's not a valid argument. > > > > No, I base this on my experiences and the knowledge that I have. It is an > > entirely valid argument. > > I still think it's a wild guess that's totally inaccurate but you are > entitled to your opinion. > > > WW1 was a race war on grand proportions. The entire balkan situation of > > "ethnic cleansing" throughout the 90's has its roots firmly planted in WW1 > > and before. > > I though that was one madman. > > > WW2 was also a race war. Or do you think the extermination of 6 million jews > > in WW2 never happened? > > How did we get on the subject of race wars? Do you think that Iraq is > having a race war? > > > I think you missed the point on this Sam. I pointed out articles from a > > hundred years ago that, with a few minor name changes could apply to the US, > > UK and Iraq today. I'm simply pointing out that history is repeating itself. > > This bit of history was bad. If we repeat it, and it looks like we are, then > > we haven't learnt from our mistakes and we have made no progress. > > And I am saying that I look at them and see they are biased and > history has proven it. > > > > Did you notice Germany was on the top of that list yet they > > > voted for a Bush supporting leader? You need to learn to see > > > past the bias of the press. That's what this author is trying > > > to explain to you. > > > > Huh? What list? Did I miss something? I do see past the bias of the press. > > That is why the article you posted caused me to respond. > > > Of the countries that were against the war and every nation fighting > the war, Germany was top but when they had an election the actual > people of Germany showed that they do support us. > > > > The fallout has already begun in Libya, Jordan and Syria. > > > > The threat of invasion by the US is not the fallout of the situation, it is > > the cause of the fallout. You and I will both be dead when the fallout of > > this whole affair is felt. > > Libya surrendered their nuclear weapons program. Syria is now out of > Jordan. Jordan has turned against al Qaeda as has most Muslims. That > is the fallout. The extremists are becoming more isolated and hated. > > > > I think he's talking about Japans surrender but still making > > > a move that brings an end to the war doesn't negate everyone > > > else's role. > > > > Ok, you mean the Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Well seeing as Japan was on it's > > knees because of the allied forces in the far east, the attacks by America > > with the atom bombs did accelerate the end of the war but at what cost. The > > world lost an amount of innocence and the use of the atom bombs was another > > direct cause of the cold war. Japan was on her knees. Pride is strong in > > Japan and although it would have taken a little longer, she would have > > surrendered anyway. > > I'm not sure what your point is, is it that Truman is still not > respected? Google him. > > > > They say Reagan was reaching out to Gorbachev in 1984. > > > Thatcher met him in mid December 1984. I don't have time to > > > look it up but how does that take away from Reagan anyway? > > > > Who is they? Also, do you think the summit was arranged the week before? > > These things take a lot of time. Don't be so naïve. > > I'm saying I don't know what date Reagan started reaching out versus > what date Thatcher did and didn't want to look it up because it's > irrelevant. Thatcher did not say, "tear down this wall." or whatever > was said. > > > It was a further 11 months before Reagan and Gorbachev met at the "Fireside > > Summit". > > > > Site is down. Can't read this speech at the moment. > > She states how she explained to him he can trust Reagan and how the US > is only uses it's power for peace. Also stuff about him not trusting > the US so it disputes your claim Gorbachev was reaching out first. > > > > Plus Reagan knew this and used it: > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19040-2004Jun5.html > > > > <counterclip> > > The reasons for this extraordinary turn of events are larger than Reagan and > > span events far beyond his presidency. > > </counterclip> > > You need to keep reading that article. > > > > You give the impression the Soviet Union was successful up > > > until the last few years before Gorbachev because someone > > > stole some money. > > > Reagan pushed hard, he built up our military and showed them > > > that not only was our military successful so was our economy > > > while their weapons were outdated and their people were > > > starving. Then to push it further he threatened to create a > > > missile defense system that would've rendered their weapons > > > useless against us. It was his pressure along with their > > > failings that ended the stalemate. It could have gone on for > > > a lot longer. > > > > No. I said Gorbachev knew the Soviet Union was in a mess before the thaw > > began. He knew that there had been years of corruption. The entire communist > > era was full of corruption from 1917 onwards. I never said that is was the > > last few years that brought about the fall of the Soviet Union. > > My point is it didn't collapse over all that time and could easily > have gone another 10 or 20 years. I think you're claiming it was just > a coincident Reagan was in office when they called it quits. > > > > Hello? Who's carrying the major burden? You just said America > > > is a joke amongst the world not the British or Polish or the rest. > > > > I know the US military is carrying the major burden. Also, you have to face > > facts that because of the current US administration, the US is the butt of > > many many jokes right now. The UK is also the butt of many jokes that mainly > > use words like "Americas poodle". I can see that we are seen as a joke in > > the world. I'm just pointing out to you that the US is seen as a joke too. > > I refer back to the recent elections in Germany. The world is not > always how the press presents it. > > > > France was against the war but I guess you just wanted to > > > ridicule them. > > > > Yes. > > They deserve it. I just wanted to look cool for standing up for them > for a change :) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:185755 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
