On 12/5/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/4/05, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > How many died because of Clinton? Even if you follow the most rabid > > conspriacy fantasies of the nutcase right wing, its less than a > > handful. So far in Iraq alone, its over 2000 American and several > > hundred British, and other alliied soldiers. > > Are you saying the soldiers that died in Iraq died in vein?
To the extent that Iraq was a completely unnecessary war, yes. None of the reasons given by the shrub administration for invasion was valid for a war of aggression. Was Iraq planning on attacking the US? How? Their missile systems couldn't work at that point, their armed forces was a farce etc. > > > Neither Kerry nor Clinton ever advocated torture, or the violation of > > many of the treaties where the US is a signatory power. Did he as > > commander in chief establish any secret prisons to get around US laws? > > Did either Kerry or Clinton authorize rendition or moving prisoners to > > countries that use torture routinely. > > Bush didn't advocate torture and said they didn't torture anyone. So > what's your point? He said, he said? Didn't Kerry say he burned > villages in Vietnam? If the White House has not been advocating torture, then what has been the dispute between McCain and the White House about his bill to ban torture: http://www.antiwrap.com/?790 or Porter Goss's very emphatic denial that emphatic interrogation is not torture http://www.antiwrap.com/?792 http://www.antiwrap.com/?794 Or Cheney's well publicized advocacy of torture? Moreover given that the US has signed the UN Conventions against torture, and is a signatory power, it appears that the CIA and the armed forces may be violating US laws. http://www.antiwrap.com/?796 > > > The agreements that clinton brokered on Northern Ireland seem to be > > working - the main IRA has destroyed it weapons and it engaged in the > > political process. There are some extremist holdouts but they have no > > real support. > > I didn't say it failed I said I believe he didn't do it for the right reasons. > > > you talk about the looney left, but those paranoid fantasies about > > Clinton are worse. next thing you know you're going to be bringing up > > Foster's suicide, and other rightwing nutjob fantasies about Clinton > > smuggling drugs etc. > > It was a suicide? :) Just 4 separate commissions and multiple reports all reported very conclusively that is was a suicide. > Smuggling drugs? I didn't hear about that one but it does remind me of > the aids tainted blood he sold to Canada. Something like 10,000 plus > people died from it. Whatever happened with that story? Never happened outside some wet dream of a neocon. > > > Lets look at the facts, During his tenure he supervised the largest > > peacetime expansion of the economy ever. The debt was all but > > eliminated and there was a surplus. And this was a failure? > > That was all on paper it was fantasy. The money was taken form social > security and was to be paid back with ten more years of a dotcom > bubble economy. We all know what happened to that bubble which is why > we got a recession and no way to pay back SS. The tax breaks saved us. By putting such a burden on the rest of us. The tax breaks went to the wealthies Americans who make up less than one percent of the population. Yes buying an extra yacht saved the country last year. Cutting payroll taxes would have done a lot more and put the money into the hands of the people who really needed it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:185758 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
