I'll admit that I don't know anything about Washington sate or Oregon. I have however lived in Maine, and I have family there still. The entire state is a mess. They are taxed to hell and back, their economy is in ruins, there are almost no jobs other than seasonal work. I hope you wouldn't want to point to Maine as your example.
Plus Maine has very loose CCW laws and is a class 3 (machine gun legal) state. You sure we're talking about the same place man? > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:59 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: US Propganda against Chavez stretches into Media > > No, it sbeing done in places like Maine, Washington state, Oregon etc. > > It is incompatible with the ideals of the right wing however. > > larry > > On 1/6/06, Tim Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right but aren't your ideals essentially incompatible with > our form of > > government and our constitution? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:27 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: US Propganda against Chavez stretches into Media > > > > > > In your definitions. > > > > > > I support appropriately sized government. I idea is that > government > > > should do the needed stuff that the private sector is not > willing or > > > cannot do. This includes education, health care, defense, > economic > > > development and so on. I think that a rational approach that > > > emphasizes what works rather than what is politically > expedient is > > > more appropriate. Look at what has been shown to work, if > necessary > > > set up experiments and see what works best. > > > > > > I take a very historical and an international perspective on > > > government and democracy. Just like the communist nations > went too > > > far to the collectivist side, I think that the US is > moving too far > > > to the individualist side. > > > > > > Besides if you're buying the beer, I'll be drinking it. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > On 1/6/06, Tim Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm not trying to suppress your free speech friend, I just > > > can't see > > > > why you would want to come here, knowing the history of > the United > > > > States, knowing your politics, and knowing what you believe. > > > > > > > > You've made it clear, at least to me, that you support bigger, > > > > more intrusive government, over the rights of the individual. > > > From those > > > > with ability to those without. The rights of the many over > > > the rights > > > > of the few (or the individual). We're on opposite side > > > man. We know that. > > > > > > > > Why take it personally? You know we can still chill and > > > drink a beer > > > > :) It just bugs me that we are importing liberals, and giving > > > > them the right to vote. You know that. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:45 AM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: US Propganda against Chavez stretches into Media > > > > > > > > > > And your point is? > > > > > > > > > > Because I can see some good done in a country that > was a slimy > > > > > corrupt pesthole of the US's making before the revolution > > > that means > > > > > I cannot speak my mind? Aren't you trying to do the > same as the > > > > > Castro regime does - suppress free speech? > > > > > > > > > > Remember that the Baptista regime that was in power > before the > > > > > revolution was far worse than the current government. It > > > was in the > > > > > pocket of American corporations and US based organized crime. > > > > > > > > > > When I see good I'll speak out, when I see stupidity I shall > > > > > also speak out. The current policy of the US government > > > towards Cuba is > > > > > stupid, hypicritical and counter productive. > > > > > If it had used the same approach as it did with the > Soviets, the > > > > > Castro regime would have suffered the same fate. The current > > > > > policies play right into the hands of the Castro > > > government. In one > > > > > sense these policies make the US the best ally that > the Castro > > > > > dictatorship can have - an outside enemy that > everything can be > > > > > blamed on. > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/06, Tim Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > This is ok with you, at the expense of freedom of > > > speech, at the > > > > > > expense of liberty? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus. You're going to be a citizen of the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:12 AM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: Re: US Propganda against Chavez stretches into > > > > > > > Media > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given that the country has a higher literacy rate, fewer > > > > > poor people > > > > > > > with better health care, and a considerably lower infant > > > > > death rate > > > > > > > than any other country in the region, I would say > > > that that is a > > > > > > > fairly good definition of national success. BTW > that infant > > > > > > > death rate is considerably lower than the US > > > according to the WHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Perhaps he respects Castro for standing up to US > > > > > Aggression and > > > > > > > > > still being able to reduce poverty, provide excellent > > > > > > > healthcare and > > > > > > > > > all the other things he has managed to do in the > > > face of US > > > > > > > > > pressure.Maybe THAT is what he respects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't believe you are touting the success of > > > Castro's Cuba. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So because you assume that based on US or Western > > > > > > > > > Society > > > > > > > mankind is > > > > > > > > > Greedy, therefore the only solution is a system that > > > > > > > > > rewards,exemplifies and promotes Greed above all else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Um, in economics? Yes. The simple fact that you > > > > > apparently fail to > > > > > > > > grasp, is that capitalism works, and socialism doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the social services offered in Canada? Or > > > > > > > Western Germany > > > > > > > > > before the fall of the wall? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:190839 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
