You're dead sure about those. To start, capitalism as we know it is a relatively recent phenomenon. Its an outgrowth of the merchantile system of the 16th and 17th centuries. Before that commerce was extremely regulated, either at the local level - think merchant guilds or by royal charter. In Byzantium and its successor states things were even more regulated - to even open up a small shop in Constantinople, you needed direct permission from the Emperor, or a senior flunkey. From what I understand Rome used a similar system. You have to admit that it was fairly successful - over 1500 years of people living and working under this system.
As for greed being important, again I'm not sure about it. There's been a fair amount of research on cooperative and altruistic behavior both in humans and in animals, in both lab and field conditions. While Darwin may have been correct, more recent work in sociobiology suggests that cooperative behavior may be more important in the long run in terms of passing on one's genes. Besides if greed was all that paramount, then we'd still be in a Hobbsian situation where life is nasty brutish and short. larry On 1/9/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gel wrote: > > Gruss is saying that Capitalism = Greed. Capitalism is good and the > > only viable economic model, and therefore Greed and all that goes with > > it is good. > > > > Gruss also believes that any form of government beside a laissez Faire > > Capitalist Democracy is wrong. > > > > Rule #1 of these discussions that you let me tell you what I believe. > Ask questions if you like, but don't tell me what I believe. > > Here's what I believe: > > 1.) Nobody on this planet is immune from greed. > > 2.) People can and do put other's needs before their own. We all do > it quite often, but not often enough to trust that we will always do > it if we came to power. > > 3.) Any socio-economic system that trusts its rulers/leaders/law > makers to rule selflessly will fail. > > Here's what I remember from history class: > > * We tried the king deal. Guess what? Didn't work. Turns out that, > sure, you can get a good king for awhile but then a bad one comes > along and fecks everything up (for greed, power, and chicks. not in > that order). > > * We tried the socialist thing. Doesn't work. see above. > > So, yeah, I think it's foolhardy to think that any system that doesn't > assume it's rulers are greedy, selfish, and power hungry will succeed. > It won't. There's thousands of years of experiments to back that up. > > And, yes, I think the most benevolent system ever invented is > capitalism. It's egalitarian and provides freedom and rule of law by > its very nature. But sure there's plenty of room for improvement. > > In a capitalist society, Gel is free to give up his PS2 and instead > spend that money on the poor. He's free to give his club money and > his car to the needy. He can ask the homeless to live with him. He > can adopt abandoned children, volunteer at the hospital, or become a > special needs teacher. > > But Gel doesn't do any of those things because he's greedy. Making > sanctimonious speeches about me helps him to forget that doesn't > practice what he preaches. > > For me, I'll earn the money to pay for the hospital via taxes. And > I'll be honest about my greed. And I'll remember that when I get my > custom exhaust installed next week I'll have paid for Brent Labree's > meals. And the installer will use my money to pay for his kid's ski > trip. And the ski resort will pay the salaries of the college > students that work there who'll use the money to educate themselves. > And the professors at the college will use the money to ... > > .... and soon we'll all be wealthy. But let's at least be honest about > our greed. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:191282 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
