You've hit the nail on the head. I'm don't believe that cities will dissolve immediately into crisis should welfare be removed, but I do definitely think that crime in the form of theft and murder will make a dramatic increase, to a point unheard of at the present time.
The point you make about young-inner city boys is exactly right - they don't feel that they matter, so why does anybody else? This is the exact kind of thinking that brought about such incidents as the LA Riots after the Rodney King trial. - Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America >I saw that. I did not engage as I was not sure if their misreading was > due to people not having the time to read/write complicated thoughts > or what. Let's see if I understood you: > > The post-Katrina fiasco was an illustration of what happens when > people with few or no resources lose the ones they had. In other > words, the people who has no car to get into and no stockpile of food. > A day or so into Katrina it didn't matter if you had cash as the > stores were for the most part closed. Ergo if you wanted to feed your > kids you had to go into a store and take stuff. I do not excuse the > people taking televisions. But in that sort of apocalyptic scenario I > suspect most people here would do something not too different. > > OK so you extrapolate from here to say that people who depend on > government support will become violent if this support is withdrawn. > Right? I don't think I agree with you, because the withdrawal will not > happen in this same catastrophic manner and people would have a chance > to make alternate plans ot have plans made for them :) At least one > would hope so. > > But it is true that some of the scariest people in inner city DC are > the people, mostly young teenaged boys, who are smart enough to see > the ways they are getting screwed by the system. And some of them > figure that if they don't matter then nobody else does either. > > So I don't agree with you exactly but I don't think you position is > idiotic. Bear in mind that the people who said it was also think there > is no relationship between the American and the French revolutions :) > > > On 1/11/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks, Dana. I've been called an idiot today for saying this. You may >> not >> agree with everything I have to say, but at least you're willing to have >> an >> adult discussion. >> >> - Matt >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America >> >> >> > people who are hungry will have few reservations about stealing. Works >> > for >> > me. >> > >> > On 1/11/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Ugh, I mistyped and there's all kinds of confusion. >> >> >> >> I meant that there was a lack of basic substanence for people after >> >> Katrina >> >> hit New Orleans. A lack of basic substanence due to the lack of means >> >> to >> >> leave the area led to a rampant looting and crime. My example was >> >> meant >> >> to >> >> convey that a lack of welfare for people would lead to the same thing >> >> in >> >> the >> >> US. People who are hungry will kill others for the ability to eat. >> >> Hence a >> >> welfare system's purpose is not only there to provide food to the >> >> needy, >> >> it's necessary to help keep people from killing each other for the >> >> necessities of life. It's the basics of poverty, Mazlo's Hierarchy of >> >> Needs. >> >> >> >> - Matt >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Tim Heald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:29 AM >> >> Subject: RE: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America >> >> >> >> >> >> > Other than the fact that the statement isn't true. >> >> > >> >> > NO happened in a country with a welfare system. >> >> > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:26 AM >> >> >> To: CF-Community >> >> >> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labeled Dictator by America >> >> >> >> >> >> Then what you meant was not what you said... "I think that >> >> >> Gruss doesn't realize that a country without a welfare >> >> >> program is going to be run over by criminals killing others >> >> >> for gain. Case in point: New Orleans" >> >> >> >> >> >> That's pretty clear to me. Said another way: "New Orleans >> >> >> is an example of what would happen in a country without a >> >> >> welfare program". >> >> >> >> >> >> -Cameron >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/11/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> > I'm confused... I thought I knew what I meant. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Matt >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> > From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:52 AM >> >> >> > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > No, your example was actually that all hell broke out when the >> >> >> > > welfare program (not law and order) was removed in New Orleans. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > -Cameron >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > On 1/11/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> > >> The example that I meant to convey was the rampant looting >> >> >> > >> after >> >> >> > >> the hurricane and the flooding. Although not a nice >> >> >> place before >> >> >> > >> hand, the lack of law and any assistance led to the grave >> >> >> > >> conditions there. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> - Matt >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> > >> From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > >> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> >> >> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:55 PM >> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > On 1/10/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> I think that Gruss doesn't realize that a country without a >> >> >> > >> >> welfare program is going to be run over by criminals >> >> >> > >> >> killing >> >> >> > >> >> others for gain. Case in >> >> >> > >> >> point: >> >> >> > >> >> New Orleans >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:191878 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
