You working at the NSA these days Sam? You know where the taps are originating? Against whom?
I'll be honest I don't care where it starts. If there is a citizen on either end of the line you need a warrant first. Period. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:45 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Sen. Kennedy agrees > > > You just changed the facts to support your fears. > The US phones aren't tapped the al Qaeda overseas phones are tapped. > If a overseas phone that is tapped call the US they can listen in as > long until they decide the US phone is a target of investigation. > Then they need a warrant. > Why would you say we can't tap phones in the middle east? It's > difficult because they tend to use disposables but the listen in to > certain areas for key words. Once they have a suspected line they > listen in until it's thrown away. > If that suspected line calls a US phone many times then they get a > warrant and tap that phone. Whenever that phone calls Afghanistan they > keep track of the numbers called there and follow the web, which might > end up back in the US. Until there are enough calls to a US number to > make them a suspect they don't need a warrant. > I hope I didn't reveal too much top-secret info, I'm just guessing > this is the process. > > > On 1/26/06, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Ok, > > > > I want to make sure I understand the legal issues > > > > 1) In order to listen to an incoming call into the United > States, you must > > either have a tap on the transmitting or the receiving end. You > *might* be > > able to intercept a satellite call if you know it's coming. > > > > 2) Since AlQaeda doesn't have a fixed address, and the chances of them > > grabbing a tapped phone in the middle east are pretty slim. > > > > 3) The NSA (National Security Administration) must have taps on > phones in > > the US. > > > > 4) In order to tap a phone in the US, you *must* have a court ordered > > warrant, whether you are Joe Blow, beat cop in Podunk KY., the > Chief of the > > NSA, or the POTUS > > > > 5) The POTUS and the NSA have a special court that sits around > waiting to > > issue warrants for high clearance issues. > > > > 6) Out of the 6000 warrants requested by Bush, 180 or so have > been modified > > and only 8 flat refused. > > > > WTF is the problem? I'm all for doing whatever it takes to > defend the US, > > but do it within the law. Just go to your special court and get > one, he's > > batting 98% as it sits, why skirt the law over 8 out of 6000 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:194626 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
