part of the problem is that Israel is an open society - thus incidents like Shabra and Shatilla get discussed openly in the media. Hama Syria never will, because at best Syria, and Jordan for that matter, are very nasty dictatorships who have no real acquaintence with human rights or press freedom.
larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:05 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: What does this Ad mean ?? > > > At 10:57 AM 1/30/02, you wrote: > >It still matters. If it can be shown that it was not done > under Sharon's > >command then I stand corrected. If I remember correctly, the > commission of > >inquiry established by the Israeli government did find > Sharon indirectly > >responsible. > Yes, they did. They found him indirectly responsible because > his troops let the Lebanese militiamen into the towns. They > were indirectly responsible and he was their leader. > > > >On the other hand, has any other government in the region > done the same? > >There are plenty of more odious incidents, such as Hama in > 1972 in Syria, or > >several incidents in Jordan during Black September etc. None of these > >governments did anything similar to what the Israeli > government did with > >Sharon, made an honest attempt to find out what happened and assign > >responsibility. > Ah, but the news doesn't like to show that. Israel is more > interesting as a whipping boy than Jordan, Syria or the other > countries. They're just no fun. > > > > >larry > > > >-- > >Larry C. Lyons > >ColdFusion/Web Developer > >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > >EBStor.com > >8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > >Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > >tel: (703) 393-7930 > >fax: (703) 393-2659 > >Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > >-- > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:50 AM > >> To: CF-Community > >> Subject: RE: What does this Ad mean ?? > >> > >> > >> His soldiers didn't do it, an allied army did. That's the > >> issue here. If it was his troops that did the killing it > >> would be one thing but it was not. It was the troops under a > >> Lebanese Christian militiaman who did it. The fact that he > >> was also working for Syria and was just assassinated by a > >> group that claims they want Syria out of Lebanon might be > >> interesting as well. > >> Oh, forgot that as well. Syria has been occupying Lebanon for > >> a while now. But they're both Arab countries so I guess it > >> doesn't count. > >> > >> At 10:38 AM 1/30/02, you wrote: > >> >According to current war crimes standards, if you are the > commanding > >> >officer, which Sharon was, you are responsible for the > >> actions of the troops > >> >under your command. This is one of the strongest doctrines, > >> originally > >> >established during the Nuremberg trials. This is why after > >> the withdrawal of > >> >the Canadian contingent to the peacekeeping operation in > Somalia, the > >> >commander was charged as an accessory to the murder of a > >> Somali teenager. > >> > > >> >larry > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Larry C. Lyons > >> >ColdFusion/Web Developer > >> >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > >> >EBStor.com > >> >8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > >> >Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > >> >tel: (703) 393-7930 > >> >fax: (703) 393-2659 > >> >Web: http://www.ebstor.com > >> > http://www.pacel.com > >> >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > >> >-- > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:30 AM > >> >> To: CF-Community > >> >> Subject: RE: What does this Ad mean ?? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> What about him NOT ordering the attack. He didn't order it, > >> >> it was ordered and carried out by a Christian militiaman who > >> >> was actually just killed a few days back in a car bomb. > >> >> Sharon was said to be indirectly involved because his troops, > >> >> who were holding the villages did not stop it. > >> >> If you go out and slaughter people is your boss liable? > >> >> I think that you should read the actual reports of the > >> >> incident rather than the snippets that the media are using to > >> >> demonize him. He's not a saint, but he's not the devil that > >> >> the Palestinians are trying to paint him as. > >> >> > >> >> At 08:31 AM 1/30/02, you wrote: > >> >> >Michael, > >> >> > > >> >> >What about Sharon ordering attacks on two Palestinian > >> >> villages during the > >> >> >1956 war or the Shabra and Shatila refugee camps? Those > >> >> incidents do fit > >> >> >within the definitions of war crimes. > >> >> > > >> >> >larry > >> >> > > >> >> >-- > >> >> >Larry C. Lyons > >> >> >ColdFusion/Web Developer > >> >> >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > >> >> >EBStor.com > >> >> >8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > >> >> >Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > >> >> >tel: (703) 393-7930 > >> >> >fax: (703) 393-2659 > >> >> >Web: http://www.ebstor.com > >> >> > http://www.pacel.com > >> >> >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > >> >> >-- > >> >> > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:23 PM > >> >>> To: CF-Community > >> >>> Subject: RE: What does this Ad mean ?? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> War crimes: > >> >>> destroying empty buildings used to attack people > >> >>> destroy trees used by snipers to attack people > >> >>> kill terrorists who have killed in the past and are going to > >> >>> do so in the future > >> >>> Destroying factories used to make bombs > >> >>> hijacking a ship loaded with massive weapons before it could > >> >>> be used against Israel > >> >>> Asking Arafat (a true war criminal if ever there was one) to > >> >>> honor his signed word > >> >>> Shall I go on. You used the propaganda term "war crimes". I > >> >>> don't exactly see any. > >> >>> And the reason you don't see the same type of letter from the > >> >>> Palestinians is because any who would write it would be > >> >>> killed or have been already. By their own people. > >> >>> I'm glad at least one side is willing to give peace a chance. > >> >>> > >> >>> At 06:10 PM 1/29/02, you wrote: > >> >>> >I would rather think it's a start of something > >> >>> >positive, It sure is far from anything real, but > >> >>> >warrents at least a small hope that not only a good > >> >>> >number of Israelis do not believe in the policies of > >> >>> >Sharon, but his own army is against his tactics and > >> >>> >war crimes, and are now standing up against it, never > >> >>> >in the history of Israel has this happened before.. > >> >>> >and im sorry, but this is not propaganda or an > >> >>> >anti-Israel letter, this was written by Israeli army > >> >>> >generals and soldiers and published in an Israeli > >> >>> >newspaper. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >I hope this does not get dragged into another who's > >> >>> >fault it is and who's land it is......Just an > >> >>> >interesting letter, that's all! > >> >>> > > >> >>> >__________________________________________________ > >> >>> >Do You Yahoo!? > >> >>> >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! 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