ok so.... if my dog poops in my living room and I beat it within an inch of its 
life, is it the dog's fault for doing somethng wrong or mine for over-reacting?

>We differ here.  I do blame Al Quaeda because without their mass
>murderous rampage we wouldn't need to take such drastic actions.
>Drastic action frequently involves the innocent.

I don't even think it needs to be shut down, though that would be a wise move 
from a PR point of view. 

>I agree with you 100% that we need to shut down GitMo, but we need to
>do it in a measured thoughtful way that both preserves our security
>(and the world's!) and preserves the rights of those detained.

what responsibility are we talking about?

>Those detained DO have rights - rights that we as Americans believe
>were endowed to them by their creator.  We can't in good conscious
>ignore them, but can't shirk our responsibility either.

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