thank you both. I think I am more inclined to Gruss' position (esp point #1)
but I realize how much I don't know about the Mideast so, well, I hope that
he and Warren Christopher are wrong. Anyone else want to say anything?


On 7/28/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Chesty wrote:
> > He's wrong, dead wrong.
>
> He's exactly right, live right.  I know that for 3 reasons:
>
> (1.) Putting myself in that position.  I'm at home with my family
> trying to enjoy a Friday night and 500lb bomb hits the local hospital
> and sends my wife into hysterics, and my kids begin screaming, "Daddy,
> make it stop!  Please save us!"  The people who dropped the bomb say,
> "oh.  So sorry.  It's not personal.  We're not targeting you."  Guess
> what my response would be?  It would be, "I'M GOING TO FECKING KILL
> YOU!"
>
> (2.) The first rule of fixing humans is to stop the bleeding and avert
> further harm.  Or, to use another metaphor, when you're in a hole,
> stop digging.  The more they destroy, the more refugees they create,
> the more enemies they create, the more money they lose, the more
> Israelis that die, etc.  Any teacher knows the value of, "I don't care
> who started it, I'm stopping it."
>
> (3.) The Israelis cannot win this war any more than the US can "win"
> in Iraq.  It is physically impossible to stop a religious movement -
> any Christian will tell you that.  The more death and destruction that
> occurs, the closer we come to that.
>
> That having been said, the Israelis are clearly right - but being
> right doesn't lift you out of a hole.  Only the US can do that.  We
> need allow the Israelis to save face by pulling both sides down and
> the start negotiations.
>
> If negotiations fail, then we need to bring in a multi-national force
> in to fight along side with the Israelis.
>
> 

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