that may all be true and probably is -- as I said, I know you know more than I do about the area. But what I do know a little about is Nothern Ireland, and I'm here to tell you that the Protestants never did buy the argument that it was all the Brits' fault because of what they were doing to the Catholics. Nor did reprisals against Catholic civilians for IRA actions turn them against the IRA, quite the contrary as far as I can tell...
As Gruss said, if you are a Lebanese civilian and Israel is bombing your location, you may not be blaming your troubles on Hizbollah.. On 7/28/06, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If Hizballah wasn't such pussies that they had to hide in with civilians > then there wouldn't be as many civilian casualties. If they were not such > pussies then they would be attacking military targets in Israel instead of > civilian ones. Israel is at least limiting themselves to the channels of > Hizballah arms and their storage. > > > > > OK well here may the issue -- I was not aware that Hizbollah was part of > > the > > Lebanese government. If that is true then it is good that I did not > claim > > to > > be other than ignorant. I can see that it would make a difference, as > > would > > the status of the two soldiers. Perhaps a better analogy is the Iran > > hostage > > crisis. > > > > Still, still still. I think Israel is justified but wish there were > > someway > > to avoid the civilian casualties, because all the people who are dying > > have > > relatives who are not necessarily going to accept all this as what they > > have > > coming, you know? > > > > > > On 7/28/06, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> According to press releases (Hizballah play the press like a fiddle), > >> they > >> are still alive. So here's a reverse question. A part of the government > >> of > >> Lebanon attacked a sovereign country and kidnapped two of its citizens. > >> Does > >> this make the rest of the government responsible? I'd think so. Why > isn't > >> the Lebanese government telling Hizballah to stop and return the > >> soldiers? > >> > >> I'm not sure what Afghanistan-like situation your referring to, but > >> either > >> Hizballah is part of the government and subject to its rules or it's > not. > >> > >> > >> > all good points. Suppose however that those two soldiers are already > >> dead? > >> > I > >> > am not get into history, which I know you know better than I do. I am > >> just > >> > asking for input. I can definitely see the security problem with > >> > Hizbollah. > >> > But what if (and I don't know that this is the case) it's an > >> > Afghanistan-like situaton where the government can't do that? What > >> > would > >> > you > >> > suggest then? > >> > > >> > On 7/28/06, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Israel has given what it needs for a ceasefire. No one else calling > >> >> for > >> a > >> >> ceasefile has even mentioned those needs. The kidnapped soldiers > have > >> to > >> >> be > >> >> returned. The root of all this was a kidnapping over the > international > >> >> border by a part of the Lebanese government and that has to be > >> rectified. > >> >> The second thing is that Hizballah has to be removed from the border > >> >> as > >> a > >> >> threat. If this is not done, then the ceasefire will just be a > >> re-arming > >> >> time for them until the next time they attack (in a week by their > >> >> record). > >> >> Finally, Lebanon has to put their soldiers on the border as they > >> >> agreed > >> >> to. > >> >> > >> >> Do you see any of these things happening? If not, then any ceasefire > >> >> is > >> a > >> >> joke and an attempt to stop Israel from defending itself and > returning > >> >> it's > >> >> kidnapped citizens. > >> >> > >> >> But what do you expect from the UN, which blaims Israel for > attacking > >> >> a > >> >> UN > >> >> position where Hizballah fighters are shooting from yet ignores when > >> >> Hizballah both used these positions as human shields and actually > >> shoots > >> >> at > >> >> them. > >> >> It's another "hey Jews, roll over and play dead. Oh, don't play" > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:212004 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
