> Sam wrote:
> Let's think back to WWII again and use your philosophy.
> We'd be dead.
>

The summary of your point is that you think it's possible to win an
urban "combatant" war.  I don't.  We'll find out who's right.

As I pointed out for Iraq - 95% of the people killing Americans are
Iraqis.  Translation: We are in the middle of a civil war.  We will
not "win" that war.  This was the lesson of Vietnam that you and
McNamara apparently never learned.

There's just too many of these examples to cite, but the better
question is can you cite a single modern urban war that was won?  No,
because there aren't any.  Not Vietnam, not the first invasion of
Lebanon, it won't happen in Iraq, and it won't happen for Israel now.

The mistake you and others are making are in forgetting that, for
example, in WWII the only way either VE day occurred was because we
decided to bomb civilians.  That is, we used the kill-everyone
strategy.

Which is why I've said - if we want to win in Iraq or Lebanon we can
do it 2 ways: kill everyone, or find a diplomatic solution.

The but-they-started-it-and-they're-the-bad-guys talk is romantic and
emotional, and therefore totally impractical.

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