> Hat wrote:
> two scenarios:

Let me give you 2 scenarios:

1.) I raped your wife.
2.) I raped your wife and beat her for an hour.

My point being that this is not some relative moralism, it's about
whether or not the US wants to stand up for acceptable standards of
human treatment.  This administration has declared "no" and have
attempted to remove America's standing in that regard.

It's a classic case of, "just give me more power and then I can REALLY
help you."

The problem with the "combatants on the field of battle" argument is
that neither "combatant" nor "field of battle" are defined.  So, for
example, you wind up with a taxi driver being imprisoned for 3 years
for no apparent reason.  But that's just the immorality towards
non-American citizens.

How about the 20-something kid that was held for 8 months?  Was he
stupid for being in Iraq?  yup.  But who's to say you're an American
once you're in prison?  See, that's the point.  As a person you have
no rights whatsoever.  Only external forces can be applied to release
you.

So it's all convenient to say, "the letter of the law says it only
applies to aliens."  But in practice it can apply to any damn person
they want because the process allows it and there's no recourse.

You could be imprisoned today under this law and held legally for 10
years.  Should us CFers choose to prove your citizenship, then we
could have you released.  But otherwise you'd rot.

And that's the problem.

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