Oh, I wasn't saying that capitalism is bad, quite the opposite. I was just trying to point out that the Declaration doesn't even mandate that a society live in a capitalist one. I believe that economic freedom begets personal freedom.
Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 SO. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 ax-136 630/627-5255 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee I agree with everything you say, except this: "even that society live in a capitalist system" Freedom is a free market, economic self-determination. You cannot have a truly free society unless each individual has the ability to enjoy the "fruits of his labor" (citing Burke, feel free to change the gender to something more politically correct). Because men like Burke were a huge influence on the "Founding Brothers" (new term I heard the other day), there is no doubt in my mind that they intended to create a society were economic self-determination was a foundation of freedom. H. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:03 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee That's an over simplification and smacks of assumption and innuendo. Forget the foreign policies and all of that. What Howard is talking about is freedom. Freedom is not defined as the way America has it's freedom. Jon was the one who quoted our Declaration of Independence which outlined the principles on which this country and modern democracy was founded. It doesn't say anything about each person should be given tax breaks, social security, or even that society live in a capitalist system. It defines that which man craves; freedom. It talks about giving power to the governed, not those that govern. If that system of government is based on Islamic principles, fine. But have the system in place so that if the government violates those basic self evident truths, then it is ultimately the people that decide, not one, two, or even a small group to determine that. Those conditions exist throughout that region and if our goal is to help bring down those regimes and help that country establish a government that serves those people best, then I am 100% for it. And I think that's what we are doing. I've said it before, we should enact the policies that were enacted after WW2 to help rebuild those nations so that they can be free from corruption and the people can conduct their lives without interference from their government and live as a free people. I think that those are principles worth fighting for. Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 x-136 630/627-5255 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Angel Stewart To: CF-Community Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee Uh huh. And the analysts that have pointed out various US Foreign policies that perhaps weren't totally on the up and up with these middle eastern countries are all full of sh**. Because the US way is the right way, and if you aren't doing things like the US then your way of life is obviously wrong and you're an enemy. Yeah. Ok. And an attitude like that will do absolutely nothing to feed existing resentment, or cause new resentment. Uh huh. Keep the blinders on..if you remove them reality might send you into shock. -Gel -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] This attitude has nothing to do with Sept. 11. Sept. 11 happened because a megalomaniac, driven by his own ego, has decided to use religion to stir up hate. It happened because fascist countries like Saudi Arabia oppress their people, which creates resentment. Hateful people, in order to obtain more wealth and power for themselves, take advantage of this hate and brainwash people into thinking their poverty and their oppression is the fault of the United States. But if these people lived in a free and open society, the resentment wouldn't exist. They couldn't be stirred up to resentment of the United States because they would be too busy trying to create wealth and a better life for themselves and their families. Democratic societies, while never perfect, are by far more stable societies. H. ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
