problem is howard, your analysis starts with sept 11th, not before. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2002 01:09 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee
Fact: On Sept. 11, thousands of people were killed when two planes slammed into the WTC Twin Towers. Fact: Those planes were flown by terrorists who were part of a terrorist network run by Bin Laden. Fact: Those terrorists were trained in Afghanistan. Fact: Bin Laden was hiding in Afghanistan. Fact: The Taliban refused to hand over Bin Laden and were openly supportive of the attacks. You can believe it's all about oil if you like, but the facts argue otherwise. If it turns out the UNOCAL is able to build an oil pipeline through Afghanistan now, that's just a happy coincidence that may or may not have occurred to GWB. It will certainly be good for a country that needs a little income right about now. Fact: Saddam Hussein is bent on developing weapons of mass destruction. Fact: Saddam Hussein wants to destroy American interests and Israel. Fact: Saddam Hussein funds and supports terrorism. You can believe all you want that it's all about oil, but the facts tell a different story. Sure, there are side benefits to overthrowing Hussein, such bring Iraq's oil back on to the market. Besides, potentially, bringing down the price of oil, it would give the US leverage against Saudi Arabia, a country increasingly viewed as more of an enemy than a friend (and rightfully so). I never said I believed in the altruism of the US government (weren't you the one complaining about being misconstrued and misquoted?). There is no doubt we largely act in our own self interest. In many cases, I don't see a problem with this. What I have said is that our policy must change after Sept. 11. We must do more to further the ideals we believe in. I gather those ideals mean nothing to you, since you've never, that I can recall, have ever said a word in support of freedom and justice. My impression, and maybe my memory is faulty, so please refute this if I am wrong, is that you would rather bitch and moan about how horrible the US is as if you secretly root for its downfall. H. -----Original Message----- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:50 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee *sigh* Well that's not what I meant. ["How would the United States have gotten worldwide sympathy and support for a move like that otherwise? How would they get worldwide support to oust Saddam Hussein so long after Desert Storm unless under the asupices of the "War On Terror"? How could Ashcroft, Lieberman and their cronies say that "Americans must finally realise that their freedoms need to be restricted after the events of September 11th..." with impunity and finally pass laws that were struck down repeatedly when they came up for review in the past if not under the umbrella of new "Homeland Security"?] There is a side to this whole thing that is simply politicians taking advantage of the oppurtunities presented by September 11th. Oh..and to educate you a little further on how Afghanistan relates to oil, check this link: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/afghan.html "Afghanistan's significance from an energy standpoint stems from its geographical position as a potential transit route for oil and natural gas exports from Central Asia to the Arabian Sea. This potential includes the possible construction of oil and natural gas export pipelines through Afghanistan, which was under serious consideration in the mid-1990s. The idea has since been undermined by Afghanistan's instability. Since 1996, most of Afghanistan has been controlled by the Taliban movement, which the United States does not recognize as the government of Afghanistan. " But forget about all that..*gestures*...keep believing in the altruism of the United States and its government. Sooner or later the truth, which may be good or bad depending on which side of the fence you're sitting on, will hit you in the face. Maybe when you get jailed for vaguely resembling John Walker whilst trying to get onboard a plane. *smirk* *yawn* G'night. -Gel -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Since Afghanistan has no oil reserves, how could this even have played a factor? Unless you care to retract your defense of Will's original statement, which Beth criticized, and you criticized Beth's criticism, I don't believe that you can logically accuse me of misunderstanding or misconstruing what you said. It's pretty darn clear what you said. H. ______________________________________________________________________ Macromedia ColdFusion 5 Training from the Source Step by Step ColdFusion http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201758474/houseoffusion Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
